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Warning about false anarchist group
by W. Johnson ABC-I •
Saturday, Aug. 24, 2002 at 4:28 PM
ABC<ifa@anarchy.no>
Warning about false "anarchist" ochlarchy group ZABALAZA/ABH in SA
ANARCHIST BLACK CROSS INTERNATIONAL
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Warning about ochlarchy-groups in South Africa falsely posing as 'anarchists', supporting muslim terrorist point of views, introducing small group vanguard selfstyled "class war" pseudorevolutionary "anarchism", falsely calling Carlo Giuliani "anarchist", promoting marxian communist propaganda as good literature, mixing up anarchism with authoritarian stuff, falsely posing as anarchist youth using the @-sign, etc. of course linking up pseudoanarchist marxian "libertarian" groups, including the Israeli arab 'newage' prophet and thief Ilan Shalif's stalinist "A-infos", a title and copyrighted material stolen from AIIS-IFA-AI/former FAF/IFA-paper. The groups are called Zabalaza books and paper; "revolutionary" anarchism, Anarchist Black Hammer, a.s.o.
This is a) the usual marxian/authoritarian bullshit, to put up a small violent "vanguard", "class war" group to provoke and make chaos, ochlarchy, and terror, - throw shit on the idea of freedom in general and anarchy in particular, scare the people at large, and thus prepare the ground for "strong rule" for the commie party or even worse, b) it may just be put up by the police/fascists to promote a fascist police state, similar to Berlusconi's dirty tricks in Genoa, (click on http://www.anarchy.no/apt.html and search for Genoa in file for more info.)
We denounce these groups in advance, as we are certain they will play the anarchist movement the usual trick and game of ochlarchy. Furthermore, we must ask the newsmedia to report about this authoritarian shit as provokers and ochlarchy-groups, and not anarchists and anarchy, if they still are up to something "big" after this denouncing of them.
The use of the so called Scandinavian "Hammer" denouncing the cross in ABC as the " Anarchist Black Hammer" group do, is very strange. This is so because all ABC groups in Scandinavia call themselves ABC-groups and not ABH. "Hammer" groups are typically neonazis and/or Odin/Tor whorshipping persons, sometimes falsely poing as 'anarchists'. Furthermore ABC-groups are only helping libertarian political prisoners, not criminals and terrorists and diffuse "class war prisoners". And no ABC group is opposed to prisons for terrorists, mafia etc. This stinks like some muslim and/or fascist infiltration, similar to nazis supporting Saddam Hussein. Behind these groups are a man called "Mike Schmidt".
Anarchist greetings from W. Johnson ABC-I
ABC-International
www.anarchy.no/ai.html
Mr
by Cuthbert
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 12:38 AM
Usual nonsense from that nutter in Norway. Ignore it.
No argument - not matter of fact
by W. and G. Johnson
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 1:52 AM
'ABC'<ifa@anarchy.no>
We only see the lowest form of authoritarian ruling humbug in a debate, not using matter of fact arguments at all, just calling the man speaking falsely a 'nut-case'. Thus we have won the debate 100% and this authoritarian primitive crackpot psycho may stick back where he belong, in the commie party or muslim-fascist/nazi organization.
The debate in this case is over.
W. and G. Johnson
www.anarchy.no/ai.html
IFA
by A-syndicalist
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 2:01 AM
Look at this page for comment to an norway one-man organisation who declares himself as Anarchist International. The linked Text is written people which are organized in the IFA.
http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/anorg-warning.html
Utterly lies by false "IFA"-group
by H. Fagerhus
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 2:40 AM
'H. Fagerhus'<ifa@anarchy.no>
This false "IFA"-page is put up by Jamal Hannah from the so called Industrial Workers of the World, a mainly marxian trade-union in USA falsely posing as libertarian, see http://www.anarchy.no/iwwai.html ,
in co-operation with one German man posing as anarchist, but never recognized because of marxian type intrigues and points of view. The accusiations about IFA-AI, the North sections of IFA etc, and me and others, at the above mentioned link in USA are 100% false, and this is proven at http://www.anarchy.no/ai.html . The AFIN is probably the largest anarchist federation in the world compared to Norway's ca 4.5 million inhabitants
www.anarchy.no/ai.html
Nutter Comment
by Cuthbert
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 5:35 AM
I've tried debating with you before, but it's a complete waste of time. You're right though, I shouldn't stoop to name calling - that's something you're far better at than me.
For everyone's info the person behind the 'Anarchist International' has set up a large number of front groups on the internet (i.e. the groups only have one member - him) and all of them either take their names from existing anarchist/libertarian groups, or he changes them slightly.
One example out of many, he doesn't like the Industrial Workers of the World, so he sets up the 'International Workers of the World'. The list of examples really does go on and on.
Apparently, his Anarchist Federation of Great Britain has 600 members - which really is having a laugh!
More marxian "anarchist" lies.
by H. Fagerhus
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 6:37 AM
'H. Fagerhus'<ifa@anarchy.no>
The Anarchist Federation of GB & A. at http://www.powertech.net/anarchy/afb.html
can speak for themselves, but I can confirm that even on the small Island of Mauritius the member organization NAWU (anarchosyndicalist tendency) has more than 600 memeber alone. This is confirmed in an e-mail from their general secretary tol IWW/AI related to seekinbg visa for a delegation trip to Norway. The Norwegian Embassy in Pretoria, SA, that dealed with the visas can confirm this, in case you don't believe us. Scepticism is ok, but harassment and utterly lies is something else. Shut up you marxian crackpot posing as "anarchist expert" behind our back and over our heads, acting as authority and try to tell from the top towards the bottom what is the correct figures in our members archives. You have never seen them, but we of course have them here, so your lies are just crazy mans talk.
www.anarchy.no/ai.html
The IWW/AI
by L. Jakobseb SG-ICC-IWW/AI
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 6:54 AM
'IWW/AI'<ifa@anarchy.no>
Just some facts about the International Workers of the World. It is rooted back to the 1. International in the late 1800s, and is older than the Industrial WW in America from 1905. It was reorganized in 1982 in Oslo as the anarchosyndicalist workers' section of the Anarchist International. A brief history is found at http://www.anarchy.no/iwwai.html . The website was put up later on, but that does not mean that the organization is new, or related to the Industrial-WW. I can confirm that there are more than 600 members at Mauritius, but of course there are many more, in the North, in South America etc etc. Many are double members with the Anarchist Federation og GB & A., but a lot is also associated to other anarchist federations.
Anarchosyndicalist greetings from L. Jakobsen SG-ICC-IWW/AI
www.anarchy.no/iwwai.html
Rejection of marxian lies about AI
by D. Axelsen
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 7:27 AM
'D. Axelsen'<ifa@anarchy.no>
As beinga member of the Northern section(s) of IFA since the early 1980s I find these horrible lies about the Anarchist International and its different groups are "one man" quite disgusting. All these lies are rooted back to marxians posing as anarchists, mainly trotskyites and their "friends". We have an e-mail from Jamal Hannah from medio 1990s stating that the so called Industrial Workers of the World was reorganized by mainly "former" trotskyites - and their "friends". So we know what we are up to - IS and Trotskyite marxian assholes, doing the ochlarchy "anarchy" game. We know what you are, your aims and all the lies fanatic trotskyites can come up with. We also know a member in the Industrial Workers of the World has been the object of ochlarchy after revealing a small bit of the truth. Typical commie ochlarchy. F... off, and stop posing falsely as anarchists, you are exposed for everyone as damned liers and intriguers, the whole bunch of ochlarchical marxian fanatics... trotskyites, lubbeists, leninists, stalinists maoists, "council commies" etc etc.
www.anarchy.no/ifa.html
Anarchist Federation of GB & A
by S. McCracken
Sunday, Aug. 25, 2002 at 10:11 PM
'S. McCrcaken' <fb@powertech.net>
About the Anarchist Federation of GB and Anglophone.
Publishing Freedom Online. We can confirm that the Anarchist Fedration of GB & A. have more than 600 members on the small Island of Mauritius, and of course a lot more all over the world among the anglophone anarchists in general.
We also have some problems in the UK and Ireland with marxians, trotskyites and council commies falsely posing as anarchists, to provoke and put the blame on anarchist movement. But we are working to get rid of the problem in different ways, sometimes tough measures are used.
Regards - S. McCracken S.G. of the Anarchist Federation.
PS. All anglophone anarchists are very welcome to contribute to our paper Freedom Online, see link to URL of AF above.
www.powertech.net/anarchy/afb.html
Anarchist Black Cross vs "Hammer"
by G. Johnson
Monday, Aug. 26, 2002 at 12:02 PM
'ABC'<ifa@anarchy.no>
As Anarchist Black Cross copyrighted the original ABC logo, the star + cross + @-sign, confirmed on the International Anarchist Congresses, i.e. the 5th and 6th Anarchist Biennials, arranged by the NAC and AI/IFA medio december in 1998 and 2000, by the ABC -section of the Anarchist International collectively ( Norwegian section member of ABC since 1980, Northern section of IFA since 1982, and the Anarchist International world wide since 1998), no other logo or name than the ABC is according to the resolutions. No hammer or half moon etc. is allowed. This is so because AI-IFA & ABC is prinicipally an atheist organization, and thus the cross has no religious or special cultural meaning in this context, it only stands for humanism and aid. Thus no "hammer" is accepted as name or logo. ABC is ABC and not ABH or ABHM. This is well known within the libertarian movement, and no mistakes should occure.
Anarchist Black Cross International
G. Johnson
www.anarchy.no/ai.html
Fake
by Bobo
Monday, Aug. 26, 2002 at 1:39 PM
This "ABC I" is fake. Ask ANY Anarchist Black Cross group in the world (see addresses on http://www.anarchistblackcross.org or http://www.abcf.net) if they know this "ABC I", and they will tell you the same: never heard of before, what do they do?! who do they support?!...
They seem only to exist on the net,on paper, virtually, ... the only thing they seem to do is attacking all other anarchist groups...
Strange: either some crazy nuts or some secret services...
WARNING ABOUT FALSE "ABC"_GROUPS
by G. Johnson
Monday, Aug. 26, 2002 at 10:38 PM
'ABC'<ifa@anarchy.no>
The fake signature "BOBO" is talking lies. The Norwegian Anarchist Federation joined the Anarchist Black Cross in 1979. This was confirmed in letter from Anarchist Black Cross/Black Flag reorganizer Stuart Christie himself in a letter kept in the IIFOR archives. Anyone who wants an officially controled copy can order it from IIFOR, http://www.anarchy.no/iifor.html . The letter from Christie was published in the Internal bulletin of the Norwegian Anarchist Federation in 1980, thus I mixed it up a bit in the note above. The correct data of the year of enrollment was thus 1979. In 1982 the Northern sections of IFA collectively joined ABC. This is confirmed in another letter from Stuart Christie and a note printed in Black Flag the organ of ABC at that time. The other things stated above is also well documented,a swell as the logo. There are some fake groups of criminals, oclarchs and marxians falsely posing as 'ABC'-groups or 'ABH' etc. but these infiltraters are of course not acknowledged by the ABC. As a loose network organization anyone can make a Black Cross group, but if it is not acknowledged by the Anarchist International, collectively enrolled in the ABC-section of AI, i.e. the Anarchist Black Cross it is not valid as an ABC group. The Anarchist Black Cross International is the international coordinating commision of the Anarchist Black Cross at the AI-secretariate. This organization is put up just to get rid of the criminals, marxians and ochlarchy groups falsely posing as 'anarchist' and 'ABC', 'ABH' etc. We are the real ABC-network, a few posing as "ABC" groups as, say, the ABH are fake. This is the truth.
Anarchist greetings
G. Johnson ABC- International.
PS. We will soon put up an own webpage with the documentation mentioned above, etc, and some information of actions histrorically.
www.anarchy.no/ai.html
JOIN THE ANARCHIST CONFEDERATION OF AFRICA
by A. Mabutu
Monday, Aug. 26, 2002 at 10:55 PM
'ACA'<ifa@anarchy.no>
First I. A.Mabutu, elected spokesman of the Anarchist Confederation of Africa, ACA - URL http://www.anarchy.no/africa.html can confrim that we are collectively enrolled in the Anarchist Black Cross as all anarchists, unless special cases, are. Solidarity and aid work for libertarian political prisoners is amust for all anarchists. Furthermore the speculations from, "Bobo" above about ABC and ABC-International are "some secret services" or just a few persons, etc. are lies, utterly lies. The ACA is a loose network-confederation of anarchists from Mauritius to North Africa, South Africa included, and of course all libertarians should join our network, a section of AI. Turn the back against such marxian and/or nazi groups as the "ABH" "Hammer" groups of Mr "Schmidt" and join the ACAat once.
Use the mailform at the ACA- homepage at the http://www.anarchy.no/africa.html
Anarchist Greetings from A. Mabutu of ACA/AI
PS. The anarchist demonstrations at the UN-summit in SA should be done with dignity, and no ochlarchy. Dialog with mass-demonstrations etc. is our policy
www.anarchy.no/africa.html
ABC not opposed to jail?
by nico
Thursday, Aug. 29, 2002 at 3:25 AM
"And no ABC group is opposed to prisons for terrorists, mafia etc." I am very disapointed about that. And I am not sure that it is the position of all ABC groups, specially here in France.
Ignore anarchy.no
by american anarchist
Saturday, Aug. 31, 2002 at 1:17 PM
Ignore all these posts that make reference to being from any group with the anarchy.no address. it is a one man group that spoofs as many different anarchist organization, and is not recognized by any of that groups it claims, such as the ABCF, ABCN, the British Anarchist Federation, or the Anarchist International. The man behind all these posts is a hoax and an annoyance. The flag.blackened site is down right now, but see the google chache version for a warning about this imposter group
LINK
UTTERLY LIES
by H. Fagerhus
Sunday, Sep. 01, 2002 at 10:48 AM
'H. Fagerhus'<ifa@anarchy.no>
UTTERLY LIES
The server "blackened.net" is put up by a small group of hippies and marxians in the USA, probably also infiltrated by some FBI agents trying to provoke and make anarchism look like ochlarchy, to keep the idea of freedom look stpupid and impossible. They have nothing to do with the anarchist movement at all. Of course anarchists, French, and all over the world think only one place is the right for mafia and terrorists, etc. and that is in jail.
To say that the Anarchist International is only one man, is so big a lie that only complete fools can believe so, and thus everybody else should forget this nonsense. This lie is put up by the enemies of anarchism and anarch, i.e. some American provokers, only serving the purpose of US authorities!!!
Anarchist greetings
H. Fagerhus
editor of IJ@ and on among several secretaries of AI/IFA
www.anarchy.no
Official homepage of ABC
by W. Johnson, ABC -I
Sunday, Sep. 01, 2002 at 12:06 PM
'W.J.'<ifa@anarchy.no>
The ABC has opened a website at
http://www.anarchy.powertech.net.anarchy/abc.tml etc.
Regards - H. Fager
ed of IJ@
www.anarchy.no/abc.html
H. F is ed. of IJ@
by W. Johnson
Sunday, Sep. 01, 2002 at 12:12 PM
'W. Johnson">ifa@anarchy.no>
H. Fagerhus is responsible editor if IJ@ and powertech.net's anarchists organizations, i.e. why I asked him to sign the letter about ABC homepage,
S.y. W. Johnson of ABC-I.
www.powertech.net/anarchy.abc.html
Correct URL of ABC
by W. Johnson
Sunday, Sep. 01, 2002 at 12:15 PM
Sorry, I have written the link to ABC wrong above, the corretct URL is:
http://www.powertech.net/anarchy/abc.html
S.y. W. Johnson for ABC-I
mr.
by charlie mowbray
Wednesday, Feb. 26, 2003 at 8:40 PM
The bogus Anarchist Federation of Great Britain is a totally non-existent organisation and does not exist and has no members at all in Britain. The real Anarchist Federation is at http://www.afed.org.uk. Don't believe the lies of one person in Norway.
Charlie Mowbray
National secretary, Anarchist Federation
not even a convincing hoax
by ox
Thursday, May. 08, 2003 at 12:55 PM
All the comments supporting "anarchy.no" sure LOOK like they were written by the same guy. How do "they" manage to all write in exactly the same style, I wonder ...
the real fake
by alexa
Thursday, Jan. 08, 2004 at 8:31 AM
for those of you who don't know - one bloke from Norway runs a domain called "anarchy.no". From there he pretends to run an entire international of anarchist federations, from the ABC to green anarchists, @-communists, syndicalists and individualists.
he is either a copper or a nutcase! He pretends to have groups in his international all over the world, which would be nice if he weren't insane.
I edit the real Freedom newspaper in the UK, which has been published since 1886. This weirdo has nothing to do with it.
www.freedompress.org.uk
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