Genocide of South African Whites Happening Now : IMC-SA

Will the horrors now suffered by Whites in southern Africa be repeated in Europe and America?

Unbelievably horrific torture-deaths are happening daily in the South African farmlands, writes New Zimbabwe -- yet the Jewish-controlled media in the West say almost nothing about it, while wailing endlessly about a single drug-crazed Black criminal who died while attacking police in Cincinnati. “South African farmers and their families are being slaughtered. The murders are accompanied by torture and rape. The sadism of the attacks suggests either dark perversion or systematic terror. Dr Gregory Stanton of Genocide Watch has even suggested that the killing could be classified as genocide.”

When multiracialists were demanding an end to White rule in South Africa they never debated whether the result might lead to horrible suffering for White women, men, and children. White activists in the West would ask why the rhetoric of multiracialists never includes the possible suffering that Whites might experience if the controversial multiracial experiment being performed on them fails.

“In South Africa, in the nine years following the end of apartheid and the ‘miracle’ of South Africa’s democratic election in 1994, more than 1,000 farmers have been killed. The death rate by murder for South African farmers is 313 per 100,000, perhaps the highest for any group of people on earth who are not at war.

"In 1997 four young men invaded the farm of Beatriz and Jose Freitas in the north-east of South Africa. Jose, who is disabled, was tied up while they ransacked the house. They asked Beatriz where her iron was. Then they dragged her to the laundry, took off her clothes, kicked her to the ground, raped her, poured oil over her, switched on the iron and applied it to her body. Her skin came away in flaps. Three years later Jose was shot dead. This attack, reported by the South African TV programme Carte Blanche, is not unusually gruesome. There are hundreds that are as bad or worse. Old men are forced to watch their wives being raped before the couple are painfully killed. Farmers and farmworkers are tortured over many hours. What is happening?

"There are two opposing theories. At one extreme, these attacks are seen as being directed as part of the ‘Second Revolution.’ The First Revolution was the takeover of South Africa by a black government. The Second Revolution, using terror, is the establishment of a radical black communist society and the expulsion of whites. Driving the white farmers off their land is part of this process. At the other extreme, the attacks are seen as being purely criminal and without political guidance or motives. The white farming lobby is inclined to believe the former; it points to Peter Mokaba, a prominent young ANC politician, who chanted, ‘Kill the Boer! Kill the farmer!’ to cheering black crowds. The ANC government says that it believes the latter.

"To explain the sadism, violence and the rape in the farm attacks, you need to understand only two things: the attacks are happening in an extremely violent country with very high unemployment, and the attackers are poor, ill-educated, fatherless, jobless, rootless young men — who happen to be black. South Africa’s murder rate is 58 per 100,000, perhaps the world’s highest. (The rate for England and Wales is 1.3.) I have lived a sheltered life, but a man was shot dead across the street from me; a motorist was clubbed to death with a hockey stick by another motorist at a crossroads near me; in the bushes outside the nearest pub, a young girl was gang-raped, had one of her nipples bitten off and her mouth wedged open with a wooden stick so that they could rape her again in the mouth; I saw the mortuary photograph of a young man who had been tied to a railway line by two friends so that the train had cut off his legs at the shins and his head between the upper and lower jaws. Every South African can give a similar account.”

White activists would ask if similar horrors are awaiting the West if multiracialists are successful in making Whites a vulnerable minority, surrounded by alien and disparate races.

http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/veld.1103.html

My first response is:What a load of CRAP. And speaking as a white person, what else can you expect after years and years of white people killing and exploiting black people in just the same manner that you are bitching about now.

Wanting to be more placatory, what about trying to engage, what about treating farm workers with basic human dignity, what about sharing economic power.

What about taking some responsibility for our own actions.

This article is obviously the myopic racist view of a white who even admits being "sheltered". Sadly this person can only see rich whites like him/herself as people worth sympathising with, apparently black suffering under an economic system still controlled by rich whites (like the deBeeres) is not worth mentioning. It is sad that this supposedly progressive website does not have as policy against blatantly racist articles. The slur against Jews reminds me of the three hooked swasticka flag of the self pitying boers. Apparently you do not have any black editors at South Africa IMC???

This is SO typical of the African ANIMALS! they are nothing more than sub-humans and should all be shot on sight!
This gets NO jew-owned media attention and the Boer farmers need to take measures into their own hands! Kill ever kaffir that they see! Once the savage kaffirs see that we mean business, they will back down and crawl back under their rocks, waiting to attack helpless whites again, which is why they should ALL be killed!

Fritz

You, Mrs. Harvey, are a stupid bitch! If it weren't for the whites bringing in industry, work, education and medicine, those illiterate murderous ANIMALS would still be chucking wooden spears at wart hogs! So shut your ignorant mouth because it is always better to sit in the corner and be thought an witless tuwat rather than open your mouth and PROVE it!

Fritz

Fritz, we just want you to know that your are next. And by the way, we like being called ANIMALS. We rather be called ANIMALS instead of a DEAD RACIST!

So remember that the next time you see a Black, because he may be the one ordered to take you out!! LOL

I am a expatriot South African of Lebanese descent. My wife is of East Indian origin. We now live in The U.S. Why do we live in here now? B/c "Black Majority Rule" has failed to secure both personal safety and economic freedom to the masses and to those who had had some economic prosperty during the Apartheid-era. That is reality....As horrible as that era appeared to be it is now reminisced as "good times" for most people. Absolutely nothing has become better and every thing is worst. I am not apologising for past-atrocities or current atrocities, such as murder. However, random violence is a result of the break-down of the discipline within a cohesive police force.

It surprises me when Black Americans have the audacity to cry "racism" when they have never really suffered in any way--you can be poor in America and still have hot running water and a roof over your head and food in your stomach and still not work!!! But racism or reverse racism is unjustified eitherway and begets more violence....People in Africa who are underclass don't have anything materially and are starving and do violence out of desperation or at the behest of political leaders who are selfish and greedy for power....However injustice towards successful Whites, Asians, or educated-Blacks will only cause a brain-drain in the society and individualized divestment. In the end, people are fleeing to Europe, Australia or north America....with their expertise and money....

LAW AND ORDER MUST COME AT THE PRICE OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS AT TIMES. Black Rule has failed....

I'm am not white neither black. I am half asian and half white. I do not agreed with apartheid and racims movement towards black. But i am also disagree of some attitude from our black friends here in asia. They are sometimes behave worst than white people from the west. They are not only impolite, but sometimes acting rude and savage to locals with irrational habits for a fight. One time I did involve in a fight with these africans immigrant which happen to be disrespect our humble and politeness and misunderstood it as our weakness by harrasing our femalefriends. On the incident I cannot help to avoid we loosing our tolence and beat those guy hell out for their on good lesson. But seems to be we are the one to be blame as racist asian gangs which we are not. Sometimes black people using this racism issue to give excuse for their poor behaviour towards other people from other races.

Justice for the ARYAN race!!! death to mugabe

we must build a moat to the north or they will come down and ruin this great state!!!

NIGGERS BEWARE!!!!

I cant believe the sub-moronic comments from people like you, Emma. So whites DESERVE to be raped and murdered? Get a life. If you ever became a victim of one of these crimes, I sure wouldn't sympathise with you. It may sound bizarre to you, but some of us who still have brains actually oppose the respectable genocide going on in the world today. If opposing the mass killing and raping of your own people is 'racist', i will gladly call myself a racist. The reality is that the way demographic and immigration trends are panning out, whites will be a minority in every nation on earth by the end of this century. This is not a racist opinion, it's an objective fact. If you're one of the many idealistic, even altruistic, but very naive Whites who believe that race doesn't matter, I urge you to visit South Africa, and while you're there, since I'm sure you won't want to stay with any nasty racist White people, why don't you live in Khayelitsha, Umlazi or any black squatter camp or township? And upon observing the apparent tendencies for black South Africans to massacre not just the evil whiteys, but also their fellow 'africans', I wonder what conclusions you'll come to then? Get real. You are a suicide junkie, and if you don't believe in standing up for your own people, you are the ultimate idiot and spineless wimp. Having a natural desire to look after and preserve one's own culture and race is, in the eyes of the mass media and today's multiculturalists, legitimate only when applied to non-whites. I am sick and tired of white people being told that we are the cause of all the problems in the world, whilst the fact that we have single-handedly invented the modern ideas of democracy, free speech, and virtually every useful technological invention for the last 500 years is conveniently overlooked. We are not perfect or blameless, but we do not deserve to be massacred and dispossessed in our own countries simply because of these delusional guilt complexes or sadistic, vindictive beliefs in 'retribution'.

Listen robert, u fucken white bitch, white motherfuckers are to be blamed for all the problems in the world today because if hadn't touched it would have developed by itself so why don't you shut the fuck up, and get the hell out of the Great African land, because you white motherfuckers keep on stealing from us, you worthless assholes.

Mr. dumbass fritz, I hope you are sleeping tight, because your faggot ass, is about to get ripped, u motherfucken white pig, you better watch your back, because I wish you get sodomized before you get killed by the Great BLACK Africans. Peace white bitch.

I can tell you black communist terrorists this much, Plans are afoot to anhilate you ALL if you try and commit genocide against the Boer.

Black savagery will be met with extreme resistance.

Enforcer
SAFL (SAPSO) Commander

Robert, when did South African become YOUR land? Colonization does not mean you OWN the land......rape, plunder, dominate, yes but not OWN.
These people want you out. Whites do not have the right to be there at all.

Its sad when the indeginous people of the world are oppresed by whites. And when they fight back and want them out, they become racists and terrorists.

These monkeys will do the same stunt that the thugs of mr.Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe right now. To those 'anti-racists', yiu'll get your just deserts by your so-called 'friends'. Stalin once used the expression 'useful idiot', which suits you quite well.

It is not suprising to me that black majority rule would lead to white brutality. But what do you expect from uneducated, unskilled, parentless, Third World "LOWBREADS". Did you really think they would act like civilized "white European" folks? Did you think they would sit down to the dinner table and thank you for the kindness you shown them when the whites ruled? It never seems to amaze me how we continually believe that Africans can govern in a civilized manner on their own continent. It is not within them; they will always resort to their basic roots, which is the Jungle! You see, life or the sanctity of it means nothing to uneducated, unskilled, parentless Lowbreads. It is doubtful they will ever invent or create a damn thing, but they will most certainly destroy a thing. That is the nature of Third World Lowbreads.

You want them to show you mercy, the word is out amongst the South African community, when Nelson Mandela dies, there will be a white genocide on a scale that will rival Bosnia. They even gave it a name, "Operation Uhuru or Operation White Clean-up", Operation Vula, Night of the Long Knives, Red October campaign, and Operation Our Rainy Day"; (as one black South African policeman told his white collegue, "They are going to kill them like flies, and there is nothing whites can do about it. And that they also don't care if whites know").

However, should one American citizen be harmed or threatened, rest assured, we will send troops in to South Africa and bitch-slap some Lowbread ass! If I were the Dutch or German Government, I would have contingency plans in place to send troops to seize control of the government. Hence, I would never allow black Africans to rule ever again, nor put them in any position within the military or government. The French Foreign Legion has a reputation for brutality, I would send in a brigade of them to restore order.

Sounds good to me!

"Mr" said that whites do not belong in Africa, I agree. They should be peacefully deported, not massacred. Nothing can justify what happenned in that article. However does "Mr" then agree that blacks should not be in Europe, the white homeland? After all going there, raping white women, living on welfare and stealing doesn't make the land theirs, right?

To the 2 negroes who talked about sodomizing and killing whites, you only reaffirm my views that you people are incapable of any intelligent, relavant thought processes. So called "white suppremecist priopaganda" did not bring me to this belief. People like you did. Rest assured, I'll be "watching my ass"

the user "mr" also said that whites become terrorists in order to continue suppressing indigenous peoples. Being of Lebanese descent, would he care to justify the continued arab oppression and genocide of both black and white indigenous populations, that his people are responsible for?

You think whites deserve to die, children and all you are a sadist and when the time comes may God help and I meet you on the battle field cause there will BE ONE............

To the various mentally-challenged individuals who chose to respond to my comments, thank you.If any one of you would like to arrange a personal meeting to back up your insults, I'd be glad to oblige. Secondly, I agree with some of the comments inherently advocating separatism. If black africans don't want Whites to be in Africa, then don't bring yourselves and your issues and your largely parasitic behaviour to Europe or North America or Australia or New Zealand, which are, incidentally OUR countries.
The fact that whites have been living in these places for generations, if not centuries, the fact that we created all the infrastructure, technology, industry, power system, sewage works, architecture and so on ad infinitum, together with the fact that we have fought and died and worked in these places for generations, in order to make them countries with a high standard of living for all people, proves this.
Aborigines had 40 000 years in Australia and couldn't even invent the wheel! If Australia wasn't colonised by Britain, undoubtedly some other European or Asian power would have done so almost as easily.
And if you want to apply this discussion to South Africa, remember that you wont find any truly 'indigenous' South African in the ANC or MK. We all know what happened, and is still happening to the khoisan. But anyway, the ultimate solution is separatism. The present ideas of forced integration throughout the western world are futile. Creating an incohesive mass of people without any genuine culture (I wouldn't regard McDonalds, reality TV and professional sport thesedays to be 'culture' ) is a huge disservice and all of us, white, brown, yellow, black, red, green, are obliged to fight the negative trends of globalisation, corporate cultural imperialism and the increasingly tiny number of people controlling the media, because under this 'leadership' the world is only getting worse. If separatism isn't seen to be forthcoming, then a lot of us will personally make sure that our future and our children's futures are secured. We have less and less to lose every day, and there are many, like me, who are tired of waiting.

I have difficulties understanding your argument. For your own information: culture is not static but a process. And there will never be a culture that remains the same forever. At least we have the chance to enjoy and appreciate the heterogenous nature of our socities today...it through this diversity that we are able to share ideas and learn.
Talking about inventions...if my history is right...civilisation started in Africa...talk about the pyramids of Egypt..The Great Zimbabwe Stone monuments. Again talk of the knowledge of writing...that started in Africa.
You just need to open up a little more...human beings are all the same whether white or black.
We all have to be proud of the richness brought by diversity.

Crimson please dont advertise your obscene ignorance. I dont agree 100 % with Robert but you are even worse. You sound like a first year university undergraduate full of your own self-importance. Your facile platitude regarding culture has no relevance whatsoever to Robert's argument, and don't even get me started on your revisionist history regarding civilization. I can't believe how stupid you are. Why do you even waste your time making yourself look stupid and ignorant?

It is hard to believe the comments I have read so far. Apparently they are being written by people from a wide variety of races and ages, but they are loaded with emotionally violent content, full of threats and malevolent words. To the whites who have expressed fear of being killed or outnumbered: have any of you read any African literature (did you know there existed such a thing)? start with Sesembe Ousman's "God's bits of wood". Listen to the blood cry of continental Africa and the dehumanizing treatment of colonialists that has carried psychological effects that would undoubtedly leave some Africans feeling hatred for the whites who came and took over their continent, forcing western lifestyle, economy, and industrialism on people who already had a way of life. Even today, people on this very web page have referred to Africans as monkeys and animals. What a poor exposure of your ignorance, fear, and a lack of exposure to the power of many African minds. I am white, living in America, and I have a question. If you are white, and afraid that in the next 20 years you will be "outnumbered", if you think of things that way, do you think the way to secure your safety is to call non-white people "monkeys" or "animals". If I were black I would be infuriated by such an insult-- I am infuriated by it now and I am white. what right does anyone on this page have to insult someone else's humanity, or worse, take it from them because of one's own sorry ignorance? citing sadistic cases of violence may bring light to current social problems, but saying that a whole race of people will follow in those actions is an illogical leap. White people in America have done equally sick things to black slaves... and white colonial history can't even be compared to what reactions there may be today. The number of people killed, dehumanized, and enslaved by white colonial society leaves an ocean of blood and has repurcussions today. White people, just as much as black people --if not far more so, have blood on our hands. We all need to live a more dignified kind of humanity, and we can start by respecting each other on this comment board. Violence and hatred, expressed even through words, are weak. Perhaps it might be wise to try to come up with a reasonable, non-murderous solution to the problems addressed in the article. Perhaps white people need to read black literature and get out of the habit of calling other human beings monkeys. Perhaps black people need to try to have patience and fight on a mental and social level rather than giving into temporary violence. There are some people who are trying to do that right now, and they have tapped into an unusual kind of strength.

I am an expatriot living in Hawaii these last eighteen years, and I am burning with desire to return to my former country. I am continually being dissuaded by friends and even family members. I have been back several times since '85 and am fully aware of the changes, both good and bad. I have a twin brother who lives on the farm of my parents in Natal, and he was shot at point blank by two black youths a few years ago, luckily he survived the attack. I asked him if he wanted to live in Hawaii, and he said there is only one place he wants to be, in South Africa.
There is racism every where in the world, I saw this as I sailed my homebuilt boat around the world, every port every island every country has racism. some violent some simmering just below the surface, it is everpresent and there is no hiding from it. Back home we are experiencing what Zimbabwe has just gone through, but on a tiny scale, I personally believe that the powers that be and those that are in control have too much to lose to release a wholesale bloodbath on the four million whites in south africa. They have worked too hard and have accrued too many material goods to allow anarchy and white murder to take place, rather, they are employing the typical sneaky Russiantaught form of terrorism, whereby softly softly kill and scare off the opposition, the whites in this case. A very cowardly act as is proved by the fact that it is usually lonely outposts being attacked by gangs of bloodthirsty ignorant easily incited fools.
I believe though that ultimately water finds it's own level, and blacks and whites will again be able to peacefully cohabit south africa. When it is understood what a great team it is that we make, when peacefully working together. There is enough land to go around and when the pendulum of change has calmed down and we have sorted out our differences through communication, compromise and immagination, we will see that it is good and quite wonderful to all just get along. Think about a good person you know in the opposite color, and imagine that those you don't know or are afraid to know are basically that person you do know.
In the interim, we have a struggle on our hands before all that can happen, and white people have to have the courage and the faith that good things ultimately come to those that deserve them and work hard towards.Rome wasn't built in a day and south africas problems are't going to dissapear over night. White people and especially the valuable sorely needed food farmer,the breadbasket of any nation must protect himself and his property as long as he can, he must be in constant communication with his neighbours and security force, and be vigilant, and don't allow anyone to take away your God like they have done here in the usa. Fight fear with knowledge.

It's plain and simple if one will only listen. The whites have poluted the African land. Like cancer, they have spreaded their destruction and greed throughout the African Continent. The land and people have had enough and are now cleansing the Great African Continent of the "White Disease" which has brought so much misery to the world. Whites who can not see this cleansing are evil and in league with Satan. These devil white people want to continue the destruction and poisoning of the Great African Continent and the rest of the World.

However, the earth and its people are sticking back. Remember Hitler? Well, the Evil Whites believe what Hitler had to say and what he tried to accomplish. White supremacy and white rule means destruction to the earth, pollution, greed, war, hate, poison, and genocide.

To 'one reader' and your self-righteous naivete, I'm sure you'll be impressed by wonderfully articulate Kush. Racial consciousness and solidarity is the only thing that saves whites in prison, and it's the only thing that will save us in the so-called free world.

The Defintion of 'Decadence': "An animal, species, or individual that loses its instincts, when it chooses, when it prefers what is harmful to it."

'One reader' and people with similar attitudes (and platitudes) are typical of the self-loathing, guilt-ridden, ignorant fools who insult their own ancestors by referring to all of white history as a bloodthirsty process of genocide and dispossession. Your advocacy for supposedly higher ideals is totally disingenous, given the fact that your argument, in effect justifying the present dispossession and violence towards whites, pivots around a core of basic, mean-spirited themes of revenge and karmic 'repercussion'.

Read African literature? Why don't you read Western Literature, your own heritage? Ever heard of Steinbeck, Nietzsche, Shakespeare, Camus, Juvenal, Livy, Chaucer, Salinger, Heller, Burns, Scott, Emerson, Tennyson, Melville, Tolkien? Or maybe Tolstoy, Kant, Schopenhauer, Coetzee, Quinn, Thomas, Saki, Joyce or Dostoyevsky ring a bell?

Do you think that the average black American will respect you even one ounce more because you read 'Sesembe Ousman'? If you think your ideal for a perfect society in an world populated by imperfect people is even remotely attainable, you'd better shoot yourself now, because reality is going to kick you in the face one of these days.

I'm not surprised that you're 'shocked', because your words reek of delusion and a heavily sheltered upbringing, and you've likely allowed yourself to be brainwashed by the media into thinking Whitey, and yes, that includes you, is always, always at fault, that Whitey's invention or massive contribution to everything that is positive and progressive in the world is questionable or insignificant, that 'racism' or having a preference for your own kind of people is somehow unnatural, and in fact, if applied to White relationships, is totally evil.

Do you think that black Zimbabweans and South Africans really care about whether the White person they are mugging or killing is a liberal or conservative?Do Mugabe's thugs stop and ask White farmers about their political opinions or attitudes towards race relations prior to stealing the land and machinery that previously made Zimbabwe one of the most agriculturally self-sufficient and productive
countries in Africa?

Jonathan, just like 'one reader', a part of me has an ounce of respect or at least sympathy for your idealism, and like one reader you at least wrote a half-intelligent comment that merits a response. But brother, your God ain't gonna save you. Your God didn't save 'His' own nuns from being raped in the Congo in the 1960s and He wont save White people or Western Civilization either. Or maybe He just wants to see us suffer a little for now. If so, he's not my God.

If your God existed, we wouldn't have politicians destroying our countries through Third World immigration. If your God cared about you and me and everyone we are related to, everyone we share a history with, everyone who resembles us, we wouldn't be so weak and deluded. We wouldn't be on the run everywhere from South Africa to Southern California to London to the Pacific Far East of Russia, the suburbs of Sydney, the farms of Zimbabwe, the streets of almost every city in the Western World.

If your God loved us, He would bless with us leaders who had foresight, positivity, loyalty and heart. Why are virtually all White politicians multiculturalist sell-outs? Why has our culture been appropriated by everything meaningles and facile? Why have we as a race lost our identity, our solidarity, our sense of purpose?

My God does not reward weakness, pity or guilt. My God is the God of Nietzsche and all strong Western people. My God does not demand that the most creative, inventive, powerful people in history be exterminated from the face of the earth.

My God does not formulate a future in which Whites will play no role other than that of crime victims or scapegoats. My God does not allow the most useless, parasitic, stupid, backward human beings to
breed like flies, overpopulate the world and destroy its resources. And yes, Jonathan, the BILLIONS of Africans, Latin Americans, Asians and Arabs overpopulating the world (ironically thanks to Western Medical Technology) are the far greater threat to the environment. Not that the West, particularly White capitalists (who have always and will probably continue to always sell out the ordinary White person) are blameless. And of course Communist Eastern Europe played a role too. But again, the anti-White criticism from an environmentalist perspective is increasingly groundless, given the fact that just as is the case with every other exhumed historical issue, Whites are the only people recognising their historical imperfections and working ,often too hard, to make up for past misdeeds.

This is in contrast to the ridiculous idolisation of pre-western culture, and the tribalism, primitivism and cultural relativism of those liberals who expound or condone such mis-philosophy. My consciousness, unlike the worshipping of a 'diversity' which does not and never will exist, is a progressive, not retrogade philosophy. My racial consciousness is based on a fearless acknowledgemnet of reality, and a recognition that race does matter. Sure, 'separate but equal' you could say, even though every place on Earth dominated by Blacks, Arabs, mestizos and mulattos is a near or absolute hell-hole, and probably always will be, regardless of its historical relationship with the White man.

There are many people out there whose attitudes resemble the touching but utterly, unforgivably self-destructive idealistic nihilism of Jonathan and 'one reader'. But there are many also like me, and as things get worse, our numbers will increase. Of that you can be sure. This century, this millenium, this universe will belong to us. Don't ever make the mistake of surrendering your destiny to your enemies.
I wait for my fellow man to catch up with me.

Niggers beware? More like, HONKY, LOOK OUT. We are going to eradicate all Aryan ofay Nazi scum from the planet. By hook and by crook, you zoid monkeys will be reduced to nothing more than a bag of bones!!!!!

More intelligent debate from the black community.
Multiculturalists will no doubt be delighted with John's comments.

Bring it on...
So you justify genocide just because the victims happen to be white? Or because the guilty folks happen to e black? As for the ignorant fool that made a statemnt that the next black person we see might just be the one ordered to take us out...
Bring it on! Come try to take my farm. I promise you the workers I treat so "badly" will defend me! I'll show you blood river you haven't thought could still exist.
2 wrongs make a right? A bunch of communist loving fools. Follow your madiba into the grave ignorant bastards.

And blacks never stole a thing?! Blacks - the worlds biggest theiving robbing gang of bastards.

WHAT ARE WHITE FOLKS DOING IN SOUTH AFRICA, OR ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT ANYWAY! YOUR PLACE IS IN EUROPE. IN THE CAVES OF UNCIVILIZED EUROPE. YES. THAT'S WHERE YOU BELONG. AND HOW DID YOU END UP OWNING MOST OF THE LAND ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT WHEN YOU ARE NOT INDIGENOUS TO THAT PART OF THE WORLD? WAS IT NOT BY VIOLENCE THAT YOU CAME UPON THAT GREAT WEALTH THAT YOU NOW ENJOY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE STARVATION AND DEATH OF THE NATIVES? YOU ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE ANY CONSCIENCE, SINCE YOU ARE OF THE DEVIL. DESTINED TO DESTROY PLANET EARTH, WITH YOUR VIOLENCE AND DESEASES. THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF AFRICA HAVE NOT ONLY A RIGHT, BUT AN OBLIGATION TO RID THEIR LANDS OF THE WHITE SCOURGE THAT NOW OCCUPIES IT, BY ANY MEANS NECCESSARY. BUT PREFERRABLY, TAKING A PAGE OUT OF THE BOOKS OF THE WHITE OPPRESSORS IN SOUTH AFRICA, NAMELY THEIR USE OF VIOLENCE TO APPROPRIATE THE RESOURCES OF THE NATIVES, AND GIVE THEM A HEAVY DOSE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE. BULLSHIT ABOUT "WE ALL CAN GET ALONG." YEAH, RIGHT!! AS LONG AS YOU ARE ALLOWED TO OWN ALL OF THE LAND AND DIAMOND AND GOLD MINES, RIGHT?

FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID WHITES DO NOT BELONG IN SO. AFRICA:

If whites don't belong in South Africa than blacks ONLY belong there AND NO WHERE ELSE!!!!
What a racist you are and a hate monger.
I hope the Creator gives people like you AIDS and you die a horrible death for being so hateful.

I find the vast majority of the comments on this board completely and utterly repulsive. There is the odd comment, like that from ''one reader'', that shows there are some people posting here who are not savage hate mongers. But as for the rest of you, there is no redemption.

It appears that some of the comments have come from educated or semi-educated whites and blacks, but that does not seem to have spared you the capacity for vitriolic, blind ranting.

There have been many instances of labelling and name calling. some call members of the other race animals, scum and so forth. Im afraid that these labels do not find themselves applicable on the basis of race, but rather on the basis of your orientation towards the rest of humanity. And I have to say that every last one of you who has posted an hateful diatribe against another race find yourselves uncomfortably and ironically on the same side. You are the scum and the animals, no matter if you are white or black. Your comments prove this and prove that you are desecrating your postions as fellow members of the HUMAN race.

Whether you are black or white, if you hate another person because they are black or white and try to back this up with manufactured facts and history, then you are the scum and the animals.

Throughout the course of history, CERTAIN whites have done wrong to CERTAIN blacks and CERTAIN blacks have done wrong to CERTAIN whites. This does not mean that all whites are evil or that all blacks are evil, or that you can hold every black and white person accountable for the actions of other people who happen to be of the same race.

I have no doubt that many of the ignoramuses will respond to this with allegations of my ignorance. I hold several degrees in politics, economics and history from a variety of prestigious universities in South Africa and Europe. To them I say it is hardly possible that I could be more ignorant than you. Your comments and feelings are not motivated by intelligent thought, and I believe you realise this on some deeper level. After all, hate is an emotion.

I don't believe that my comments will have any impact on or ability to change the minds of many of you for the same reason. I have provided intelligent and logical comment, but you are all operating on the level of depraved emotion.

So make of this what you will. I do not care for your responses in the same way that i do not care for any of your prior comments. The world would be a better place without every last one of you hateful individuals, black or white.

Excuse me
by The REAL Robert Rutherford Tuesday, Apr. 13, 2004 at 12:52 PM

Firstly, phoney, why don't you use your own name
when posting threads? I know I have a great name,
but really, get a life. Also, by the sounds of things
you are just another self-righteous academic with
an inflated sense of importance. So what if
you have half a dozen degrees? Degrees on their
own prove only that you have an ability to
regurgitate the crap that academics shove down your
throat. Maybe you have been fondling the system
for decades and you came out of it with a nice and
important-looking piece of paper. Good for you.
But don't presume that for a second that makes your
opinions inevitably more important than anyone
else's. Besides, what is the point of your whole
stupid self-righteous post? You dont sound very
intelligent to me. So white racists are no different
from black racists. No shit. The morons who write
ridiculous hate-filled rants only advertise their
own ignorance, and the world is full of such idiots,
so why are you 'appaled' by them?
You have probably been fondling yourself in that ivory
tower for so long that you've become like all the
other stupid white liberals and forgotten what the
real world is all about. And get a name of your own,
loser.

For the record, I am black and not white.

LOL...You people sound like a bunch of 5 year olds fighting over a toy. LOL
Well my opinion, each race has its own land.
And if one bothers my land, he/she dies, not matter what race (black, white, purple, brown....) I'm sick of these immigrant fags who swarm countrys looking for "jobs" or "better life"

I have a note to any one who comes in to a land for "jobs" or "better life" . What bullshit, Make your own fuckn' country good. I don't fuckn' care if the fish are eatting you, don't come to my space and destory my life to make yours better.

When you come to anothers land, and ask for free care, you are taking tax money from the people who really need it.

Make your own country good, and tell everyone not to come to the U.S. (America) asking for help and a place to live
Have a good day

I don't know why my last post was posted twice.

To the subject. If black people whin about why white people are in S. Africa. Well, if you(black people) say that then stay in Africa.
Why the hell do black people come to America and act all "pimp", why not just be human. Seems to me there a lot of black "pimps" in America.

By the way the U.S government made AIDS.

I am tired of people telling whites that they should leave those third world countries, while whites have no say in whether or not Mexicans, Asians, etc..can come into our country.

Get out of our country, you dark piece of shit! And take your spic/asian/arabic language with you. If it were legal, you're asses would all be deported!

I am tired of people telling whites that they should leave those third world countries, while whites have no say in whether or not Mexicans, Asians, etc..can come into Europe or America. Get out of our countries, and take your non-English language and anti-White attitudes with you.

Thank you Ken.

The people who come to America, ITS CALLED F*CKEN ILLEGAL. STOP COMING TO AMERICA TO DESTORY OUR LIVES, COMMITING CRIMES, STOP, STOP. I swear if any of you bad a*s's come to my door to attack me I will f*ckn fight my a*s off. I'm NOT GOING TO LET YOU PEOPLE COME AND DESTORY MY COUNTRY. I don't care what color you are. If I see on my street (which is some what mine, b/c I pay tax's) some man fighting a citizen, I will screw him up.

I'm not racist, I'm just saying don't come here (America), to find Jobs, or to blow up buildings, or to kill and rape man and woman. I have a right to defend me and my country.

One more note, don't come here to look and steal Jobs from our youth.
I have a right to defend me and my country.
Do I make myself clear?

Die Black Motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha, the white South Africans are finally going to get what they have been asking for all these years: DEATH. As you sow, you white swine, so shall you reap. Now get ready to kneel down before your nigger-monkey masters and choke on the big black dick of DEATH, MOTHAFUCKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, what a pity. Whitey in S.A. is going to get killed. Too bad he acted like an asshole for three and a half centuries and now he has to take his punishment. Ain't that a goddamn shame!

I guess this is why I don't drop my money in those buckets of money to go to africa. If you africans act like that, then you don't get my pocket change, or $20 bills. lol

God can help you if he wants, fine with me.
by the way my friend dumped a black guy...another big "no no"

have fun

OH Grow up S.A.

As a young white South African I am ashamed of the what the previous government did - in my eyes its equal to what Hitler did. However, what is even more embarresing is that some white and black people treat each other so badly. Lets move forward...our country is full of potential...

Well it looks like aids is going to wipe out the whole
continent of Africa, get ready to spend more tax money, they cant even feed themselves, look what they did in Zimbabwe, they killed the productive white farmers and they can't even grow weeds, ahh what poetic justice, cut off the hand that feeds you, dont even have a enough pride to seek a mate of their own race. Such black pride. We have the homo lovinc intelligencia in this courntry who will come to their support at the drop of a hat. I also agree with some of the people on this site the white people should get the hell out of that forsaken place let them starve.

Thank you Adam for your brilliant rebuttal to Johathon's diatribe. Poor guy, he has such guilt for himself and the rest of the white population. What about the young lady who went to South Africa to help black's. She was killed by them, the killer's were put on trial and turned loose even though they had witnesses to the incident.

The biggest danger we face in this country are the liberals and George Bush's stupidity which will hand us over to the left wing liberals on a silver platter.
What a shame the Republicans could not have made a wiser choice for a candidate..

I left South Africa for Germany in 1995. I had always been liberal and objective when it got to integrating into a new SA. After a few people I knew got murdered and after we've had to leave our home to live in a security compound and after I got sick of being scared to stop at the next robot (traffic light) I decided to pack up and leave. Blacks in SA don't respect life. I feel sorry for the farmers.

Hold on Boer!

We finfished one Communist state one more to go. Then the Arab/Oil issue will take us some time but soon AFRICANS will have our fuill attention.

Bush's AID's contribution will go a long way to retaining 'useful idiots' for the CIA to recruit.

Just hold on Boer!

This man is so right

Till every black is a small pile of chemical waste on a barren land awaiting FULL colonisation by us whites.
Bring the neutron death to the kaf bastard!

We all need to learn things about africa

Boer/whore, your days are numbered. Forget about people like me whining on this board and do what's best for you: drop your pants, grease up your backsides and present yourselves to your new Kaffir masters in 2010. Maybe you might get away with just being whores, I mean, Boers. Better to suck dick for 40 more years than to lose your head in a second, eh what?!!!!

Monkey you are a bitch and a whore. eat shit and die.

That's a fact. The white race have no future. They had the power of the world and they were cruel and coward

Now they will dissapear of USA and Europe.

You must accept. That's the Justice of God.

warsmith
by Priest Sunday, Aug. 22, 2004 at 9:38 PM
011 805-3445 south africa

It is sad to see that so many people who live outside south african borders, pretend to know everything about our nations troubles. If those of you in non-african countries lived in SA for at least a year, many of your articles and comments would differ drastically.

I appreciate those of you who agree that the present situation in SA (crime + unemployment) is unbearable and that it affects both white and black citizens in SA.

Futhermore those who turned 18 after the 1994 elections can't be held responsible for apartheid, since they weren't even old enough to vote or enlist in either the SA police or the Army.

It is painfull to see young both black and white south africans consumed by hatred and suffering. In the end such hatred only ends in violence which will in turn invite a retaliation from the victim.

For those of you who have threatened each other with violence. Remember that many of you have never fought in a war or killed someone (selfdefence, cold blooded or duty). It is a dirty bussines war and terrorism. Take it from a person whos reversed further than most have driven. I have seen death in all its forms and sadly to defend my family was forced to shoot 2 hijackers in self defence. My father been assaulted numerous times in his own house and he's as un-racist as you can get. He's a pacifist whos never harmed anyone. I'm generally a calm person however I respond in force immediatly when my family and friends are in mortal danger. It's a way of life in sa to be extremely security consious and to have the capacity to kill if necesary in self defence. Having fought in two wars on two different continents I know what I'm talking about and I abhor the unnecessary use of violence.

Currently I'm highly qualified in the IT industry, but rising unemployment especially with the affirmative action situation has forced me to service cars during the day and work as a "bouncer" at clubs during the night. I also own my own forge (i make swords and other collectors pieces) and if bussines picks up I'll be happier than ever.

I don't complain, I just make the best of a horrible situation.

Instead of blaming either whites or blacks for the situation in sa. Why not look at the real criminals, polititians (of all races). They are the ones who create situations that cause the suffering and deaths of hundreds of South Africans each day.

If indeed a genocide starts in south africa either white or black. I'm more than prepared to defend my family. Assault rifles, grenades and even the odd rocket launcher can be purchased freelee on the the black market.

Just because I have the capacity to wage a war, doesn't mean that I would or want.

I personnally think that claims of rebellion and genocide on a "wide" scale in the future is outragous. As you recall during the 1994 elections, the loyalist white army and the black paramilitary organizations were not at each others throats. Although that is what the entire nation expected.

I struggle dailly with my temper when people who don't know what the're doing get in my way or do something that affects me negatively (both physically and mentally). However at least I try to control my temper and act in a educated and civil manner.

Please guys keep it clean and try not to talk about things you know nothing about.

when will people wake up and see what is happening here.When will the UN help?Robert "hitler"Mugabe needs to be stped

Man I can't believe how dumb is the crap said by the anti-white losers. They say that we deserve to be anihilated because supposedly we heard from an old book that our ancestors did something to the other races?!?!?

What a load of bullshit! And I bet half of these anti-white haters are white themselves, and glad that their race die. Damn, is it possible to be more brainwashed than that?

They are so brainwashed that they actually help their race to die faster and are happy about it! Unbelievable.

we whites can expect nothing less than genocide if we are to cowardly to stand up and fight! how do you think it came to be that the kaffir cunt motherfuckers came into power? they stood up and fought they protessed they blew shit up the had the balls to fight and it paid off. we cant stand around and do nothing hoping that aids will hopefully kill them off. its time to fight let the rivers rain kaffir blood.

people come on what the the fuck is race its mearly your skin colour. I dont mean to sound like a liberal cunt but if we just stoped giving a flying fuck about race we could fight the real causes in this world like cloning ,robots,cowards and the emasculation of men yes it is time to fight time to kill but south africans must be united in this new war.

aids is the will of god and is killing off all the kaffir scum all we need is some sabotage at the condom factory and the introduction of some influenza and the whole process will be sped up a bit

chill okes most of us are not that racist till we read crap like this just ignore aids will sort our problem ou HAIL HITLER HAIL HITLER HAIL HITLER

You can fuck hitler's dead ass.

WHat goes around comes around. THose crackers deserve it. Damn, boer whore blood must taste sweet in SA.

I feel so sad at what I have read on these forums, whatever happened to humanity? whatever colour or creed there is one statement that transcends us all - 'do onto others'. Wake up people, find a way to vent this anger into something useful. Try and educate yourself into a way of looking beyond anger, hatred and ignorance - we are all one.

Indymedia SA this not the aim... Everywhere else IMC has been used as a positive platform for communication, education, conveying positive ideas...i think you need to get a new editor.... this is not freedom of speech...this says so much about our troubled land, we have a long way to go people, a long way...whats scary is that these people air their views behind the safety of stupid nick names, if you want to incite civil war do it, if you have a problem with your world change it don't sit at your computers like cowards...shame on humanity...shame on you Indymedia.

For all of you that have been talking big violence. I doubt that you've ever even broken your nose you f'in pussies. If there were to be an all out race war, it would be a hell that you or no man could handle.
And all of you that talk big shit would be the first people to hide in a hole a cry why couldn't we all get along.
Quit trying to piss off the other side (whichever side) by your all out offensive comments or your high-browed intellectually styled insults.
It's funny how people who really have been through racial violence or any real violence come out talking peace almost always - e.g. Rodney King or Reginal Denny.
I have my own opinions, even slightly racist ones, but I'll be damned if I'd ever insult somebody with them. One - because I respect people and two - I know that I ain't tough enough for the possible consequences.
Reality Check

hey realality check martin luther king was no warrior just another kaffir go fuck yourself sellout the white race doesnt need traitors.

hey emporea your the shit its time to kill some kaffirs im with you man .ha ha hah hah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah aha ha ah ha ha ha ha ha .

You people disgust me. Please move out of South Africa. I don't care weather you're pink or orange, you're wasting South African oxygen. Young people want to get on with their lives. Go cling to the past somewhere else.

Viva South Africa, long live the rainbow nation.

black people are worthless. they carnt do anything but leech of whites, and winge about racism and discrimination. Fuck yourself you nigger shit.

some of the violently ignorant comments above -- especially from the white racists -- are so over the top ignorant and reactionary that they sound truly funny -- like a parody of white racists -- if they weren't so dangerous (although I agree, most of those white racists above are probably more mouth than guts).

Supposedly political apartheid has fallen, BUT ECONOMIC APARTHEID HAS NOT FALLEN. The latter is now the real source of the problem. Supposedly, whites economically own even more of South Africa (its land, industry and businesses) now than they did under Apartheid. And, I don't doubt, as in countries like even the U.S., there is great relative income polarization: the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting relatively poorer. What happened to the hopes, dreams, and rightful expectations of blacks to share more in the power, wealth and resources of the nation when political Apartheid fell? How are most blacks living (their housing and employment situation)? What is their access to land ownership for their family farms, etc.? What is their quality educational access (especially that leading to a university degree or skilled vocational employment)?

Political Apartheid was the unsightly scaffolding that built the ecomonic house of inequallity in South Africa. In particular, the Western world said that the scaffolding was a blight in the Western world neighborhood (at the very least, at least the pretense of true democracy and equality) and that the scaffolding finally had to come down, in order to keep up Western appearances. And the white South African power structure finally said, "Ohhh alllright. We finally relent."

So, the civilized world (Western and otherwise) forced that unsightly scaffolding to come down. But, the house of inequality itself still remains standing tall. That house needs to be seriously renovated and more houses of equality need to be built. Otherwise, of course, those who have still been economically left behind, but pass by that big house everyday, are going to want to vandalize it, or shoot at it, or burn it down, or even harm its residents.

One person above spoke about society balancing out ("seeking its own level", as they put it). Until blacks and whites share both political and economic power, there will continue to be an imbalance: strife, simmering and boiling resentment, and even a high crime rate related to all of this. Just allowing and creating a small black ruling and privileged class will never be enough.

Or, as one rap line goes, "Just 'cause a few blacks made it don't mean we all liberated!"

HAHA, WOW!
by THE EMBALMER Sunday, Jan. 16, 2005 at 10:59 PM
1488-1488 PLANET ZOGETH,IN THE JEWNIVERSE, IN THE STEINBERG GALAXY!!!

Those who are denying race in this event are not worthy to be living(i hope your liberal, judeo-christian ass gets raped or murdered by the NELLYs and AL SHITTONS!!do you think white farmers wanna go around and torture jig genitals or rape nasty sambo women??NOPE!and we didnt in the past either you fucking AFRICIAN PIMPS!i no what you monekys do over there
1.Wake up in some various animal piss or feces
2.smoke or do some drug
3.go and murder and rape those helpless out numbered white people!
4.SUCK OFF YOUR JEWISH MASTER VIA HIS ZOG TRAVEL MACHINE, THEN PILE DRIVE FACE FIRST IN TO YOUR ELEPHANT SHIT PILLOWCASE FOR A NIGHT OF DREMAING OF FUCKING WHITEY AND EATING ANIMAL SHIT!!,HAHA YOU SUCK!
some adivce.. leave whitey alone and you will have less problems!this news may be buriderd to the amerikwan public but it gets around obvioulsy!!also stop letting your jewish leaders fuck you in the ass!!!dont you realize jews are using you apes to help them destoy the white race?what you learned(i doubt you learn though)is that whites have caused you such a ''distress'' but we have done nothing more through out history than sperate our selves from you BIG LIPED COONS!but now the jews are fucking earth in the ass and you black bastards cum* out on top along with other human shit invading my aryan nations!!!a race war would be nice but i prefer seperation,you NIGLITS can have your own sperate nation!!!!!!!you can rape ,fuck, murder, sodomize,burn bodys with the white mans matches all you want just dont involve my women you unevovled jews!!
KIKE=NIGGER
KIKE=NIGGER
KIKE=NIGGER
KIKE=NIGGER
DEATH TO THE JEWS(part nigger,part?,100% nonhuman!!!),THE ONES WHO OWN EARTH AND FUCK MOTHER NATURE IN THE ASS,LEAVE EARTH YOU FUCKING KIKE RATS AND FIND ANOTHER PLANET TO DESTORY!!!

HAHA, WOW!
by THE EMBALMER Sunday, Jan. 16, 2005 at 11:01 PM
1488-1488 PLANET ZOGETH,IN THE JEWNIVERSE, IN THE STEINBERG GALAXY!!!

...that the above person who calls himself "The Embalmer" actually has so little going on his life that he takes the time to post his "Haha, Wow" comment. I want to laugh at him (my first reaction, as I said in an earlier comment above, is that someone like him is a parody of a reactionary white racist), but, in a way, I also want to pity someone with obviously such gross personal insecurities. The Embalmer is a truly interesting specimen. I guess he's just trying to instigate some equally negative reaction. In the internet world he is, of course, just called a flamer.

hey folks i ve read every one of your articles and it nmakes extremly angry when sellouts ditch the white race for the kaffirs.The kaffirs i can respect{but still hate} because they managed to do something about their situation.But those whites that sellout your own race are the LOWEST!! form of life and deserve painfull deaths. ow can you give a shit about kaffirs when own race is suffering under this racist government white people are the supreme race and yet baboons make us live in shit conditions. FUCK YOU! DIE YOU FUCKING TRAITORS.

We white people are on our last legs! We whites are dying out on this planet! Soon enough, we be gone like the dinosaurs! For centuries, we've been politically oppressed and colonized by the savage darkies and swarthies of the world, yet all those filthy white TRAITORS call for is equality and mutual human dignity! All we whites have left is europe, and northern asia (russia), and the u.s., and canada, and australia, and argentina, and chile, and other parts of South America! That's why now we have to go to outer space! We white people are at the bottom of world existence now, economically, politically, socially and culturally.

And all our white women just want to get with muscular and suave kaffirs, with their smooth dark skin, like rich dark chocolate! How can we white guys keep up with that when we can't dance, can't dress cool, can't talk cool, can't make such cool modern music (even all our popular white music is a derivative of theirs), and have such small (well, you know)? We white people really got a raw deal in this world! DIE YOU WHITE TRAITORS!

thank you for your support . It is time to stop talking and start doing.We need to eliminate those who oppose us publicly in the press we need to shut our enemies up.Traitors .kaffirs alike let them feel the wrath of the supreme race.Yes you heard me the supreme race you kaffirs would still be dancing around fires naked if it wasnt for us.SO FUCK OFF AND DIE ALREADY YOU PARASITES.

COWARDS! All talk and no action. I'd like to see you take up an m16 and shoot someone - but you wont, you can't. Because you all are cowards. You can't even speak proper english, yet you stick to the IDEA of white power or whatever. DISGUSTING EXCUSE OF A "HUMAN". people like you will wallow and die while the rest of the world moves forward into the 21st Century, haahaha! you guys will cling to a fogotten past that nobody gives a shit about anyway. Why don't you do something with your life? Make people remember you for what you believe in instead of getting excited over being able to swear on the internet, DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE, instead of throwing around foul words without any meaning.

I am a 14 year old black girl, and i live in the U.S. I came across this article while doing a project on south Africa. I cannot believe the things that you people have to say about my people. no, i am not agreeing with the things that have been said but i am outraged that there are still such racists in this world that want 2 see me dead. What have i done that makes you think you are so much better than i am. why should u have the right to live and i die. i am seriously astnished and dumbfounded at the comments that have been posted. I dont care if you are white, black, hispanic, asian, jewish, christian, wutever. Get a life. Learn to leave the past in the past. How do you expect to make the world a better place now if you're still living in yesterday. learn to love and you'll be alot happier.

Hmm yes liberalism is terrible isn't it. Especially when it allows for free speech and the publishing of crap like this. Most of the speech on here could only be free because its worthless. Go on and insult me, I really do not care, it will probably do most of you some good.

You white racists have obviously lived your years in Africa, let me remind you that it's very simple to get rid of all you cowards and the mixed race middle eastern whatever you can go too. This land is for africans we'll have it no other way, you live here you live by our rules under our rule this is not apartheid or Rhodesia anymore, in black Africa you wanna stay, you should keep your fucken mouths shut. The thing is if we kick you out for most of you illiterate punks you won't have anything in life, because all you have to keep you alive is our land. You think you might have gone to school while you oppressed our race you lazy freaks. In the end we are all racist because of the way you made afrcans live earlier the difference is we are still by far the majority and we have guns you keep your racist mouths shut or your lease in this land will be violently terminated i'm sure you friends in Zimbabwe are evidence of that.

Hey Hey we don't care you whites shouldn't be here at all, you have remarbly managed to pollute all the lands of this world with your dirty culture, and habits not to mention killing entire races in Australia and north america, and a considerable number of people here in Africa. Now our children act like fools because of you white idiots. Anyway i'm not to worry you'll be gone by 2015, as the final revolution approaches i await in anticipation

Well Emma ,obviously you have not lived Africa before.Just remember that you don't know what apartheid South Africa was like.I'm sure it was not heaven for blacks but IT WAS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN AFRICA THAT GOT MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM THE REST OF AFRICA....meaning that even the bloody Nationalists looked better after black people ,then their own leaders in the rest of Africa.

I've been in London since '02, been planning to come back and study at UCT, but it seems you lot are as vicious as ever towards each other...

I have a white girlfriend over - her grandparents were Jewish - and, seriously, no one even notices that shit. Even I don't notice that we are ethnically different. MY girlfriend before her was also white...and the woman, I lost my virginity to was white! As well as the woman I had a one-night stand with before I met my current girl - she was white, and no issue arose...

I'm definitely putting my plans of coming back on hold...

I think white people in SA are extremely hateful and vicious - no wonder the English don't like white South Africans, and think you're all arrogant...

Its amazing how a couple of people's opinions on this board have pushed almost all of the respondents' replies into either corner. I am a melanin-deprived individual if you must know, seeing as I have to identify myself according to the groups you have all created. Tell me, who hates me here? I'm sure many do. But tell me if you would; what have I done that warrants this? I'm talking about me, myself, not a supposed ethnic group I belong to. In biological terms, the skin is just an external organ. Are we to ostracise smokers for having black lungs? Shame on them! Please, I await your replies. To the last poster, I feel the same way man, I am also in the U.K. at the moment, and not due to racism or ethnic disgust, it may surprise some of you to know that despite the colour of my external organ I could not afford to go to University in South Africa, and my only option was to come over here, work, get loans and study. It will leave me in 3 or 4 times as much debt as I would have been had I studied there. But I didn't have a choice. I was 'born in the new S.A'. I am not bitter. I know things will take time to develop in my home country, and I hope as an educated person to return and make a difference there. The question is: Will I be welcome?

How could you get a loan with a South African passport? It's fuckin expensive studying up here, £6000 - £12000 a year, whereas in SA it's around £1500 a year...

Anyway, yeah, race is a social category in a different sense in SA compared to London, in SA it has an anachronistic feudal element to it - with whites as lords and blacks as serfs - as well as a class element to it - whites as the capitalist class, the bourgeois class if you will, and blacks as the exploited class, workers, proletariat, whatever...

Here, not only do blacks and whites live in the same areas, work in the same workplaces, but often they live in the same house, bedroom even! The race realtions are totally different...white people here are really enlightened, and very few are vicious racists, although I've met many white South Africans who've tried to convince me that the English are more racist than them...

Fuck outta here!

Ladies and Gentlemen, all this race-hate-crap is sooo fucking passe. Please move on for christ sakes!

Yes, its true that our African bretheren have a gift akin to "the midas touch" .... everything they touch en masse regrettably appears ultimately to turn into shit, but so what!

We've only got one planet; there's 5 billion of us; lets learn some tolerance 'uh??

L8tr.

PS: The website that this article is drawn from (http://www.stormfront.org) is an out-and-out white supremacist portal .... it is best viewed as the work of some lonely, frustrated in-bred Kansas farm boy. It doesn't represent the majority opinion of anyone ..... I HOPE!

Hate to break the news to you genius, but black South African's currently have an aids infecetion rate of 20%. That means (please try follow the math) roughly 8 million black people are dying. This is a tragedy and I would venture to suggest far more deserving of your enthusiasm.

Oh so whites are complaining about forigners coming to America?Give me a break.
Just bcause whites got rid of America's indiginious population that doesn't mean it belongs to them.Such hypocracy.To steal someones land and then accussing other people of trying to take it from you.The same goes for Australia,New Zealand,Canada,zionist israel and others.

Foolish Crackers
by The one who liberates Wednesday, Jul. 13, 2005 at 1:56 PM

Hello there to you all. It seems that we all are having a very heated argument, are we not? The white man believes that land in S.Africa belongs to them, even though they came and committed genocide to the indigenous black Africans living there at first. Then the Black man believes that the white man should not be in S.Africa or in Africa at all. I am not fully black or white, I am Part black,part white, part native american, and part arab. I must agree with the black man though, they are right about whites not belonging in africa, but the way they are handling the situation is not the right way. The whites from europe came and committed genocide to get the land they have now, and the blacks are now getting revenge. There is nothing wrong with avenging your forefathers. The first step should have been to ask the whites to leave peacefully, the next step was to take all political power from them and have the country fully in your hands, the next step should have been to deport them, and if they refused deportation, then just kill them. The whites should no better than that, whites really dont belong in africa, and mugabe is right, time is up so get out. By saying this i am also stating that blacks do not belong in europe or N.America. All whites should be in europe and russia, all blacks in Afica and the middle east (which used to be part of africa till racist white leaders wanted to seperate europe from africa)

That is all

This goes out to all people who use nigger as a deragotory term for blacks

THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THE "N" WORD HAD A CONNOTATION CONNECTED TO THE GODS

The word "nig..." used to be the most revered and sacred word in the universe. It was the "devine epithet," and the people who began using the mother of all words that originated from this word which was sullied by the British, were the ancient Egyptians or better, the Khemites, who called their land, "Khemet" or "The Black Land," and also used the name, "Ta-merri" or "The Beloved Land."

THE WORD "N-G-R" MEANS "GOD" IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN

The father of the "n" word was the word used by the ancient Egyptians for "God." That word was "N-g-r" and as one can see, there are no vowels in this word. In the ancient African and even the present African languages (the Afro-Asiatic linguistic family) vowels such as "a,e,i,o,u" are not found in many translations, particularly of ancient Hebrew and Egyptian languages.

In the translation of ancient Egyptian and Hebrew (which is heavily influenced by Egyptian), one will not always find vowels, therefore, very few people will realize that the word for God, which is "N-g-r" pronounced "en-ger" was the Egyptian word for God. In fact, the Egyptian word for "nature," is also the word used for God. That word is "ntyr," (pronounced net-jer." Now prounce the word "nigg.." and the word "net-jer," and one sees the clear connection.

MANY AFRICAN WORDS DENOTING PEOPLE OR IMPORTANT PEOPLE STARTS WITH "N"

In many African languages particularly the Niger-Congo language family. Words that connects with people, Gods, and groups begin with "n" and that word is always the first word. For instance, the word "Nkosi" in Xhosa is "God." The word "Ndaba," in another South African language is "counsil" (or gathering of elders). Many common names also begin with "N".

WORDS OF AFRICAN ORIGINS THAT CAME FROM THE ORIGINAL WORD, "N-G-R" (PROUNOUNCED EN-JER)

N-g-r (Egyptian;pronounced en-jer) = God
N-t-y-r (Egypt; pronounced net-ger) = God, Devine
Negash (Ethiopia; ne-gash) = King
Negus (Ethiopia; ne-goos) = Emperor
Nkosi (Xhosa; en-kosi) = God
Ndaba (Zulu; en-daba) = Counsil/Officials,
Naga (East Indian, Nubian = People
Nugarmarta (West African = People (See the writings of Ibn Buttata's journey to West Africa)

HOW THE N BECAME CORRUPTED

The Romans are probably the first Europeans to misrepresent the word for God, which was "N-g-r"
About the early part of the First Century, Romans tried to invade Ethiopia. (see BLACK HISTORY CHART http://community.webtv.net/nubianem/blackworldnubianempire or go to http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire for a list of Nubian Pharaohs and Queens.

The Romans who were speakers of Latin always knew of Blacks, there were Blacks in Rome, Italy had an ancient Black presence long before the Latins migrated from Central Asia and North Eastern Europe during the 'Aryan' migrations. In fact, the Latin ethnic groups is still in existance in the northern part of Italy even today. This part of Italy still grips about Hannibal's invasion which happened about two thousand two hundred years ago!!!!

The Romans had a name for Blacks, it was "Niger" and it meant Black or people of African origins. Thus, Septimus Niger would have meant, Septimus the Negro. Yet, how did the Romans connect the word "Niger" to Black.

In ancient times, Blacks were worshipped as Gods. The Gods of Greece came from Egypt. The worship of the Black Madonna is connected with the worship of Isis, the Egyptian Goddes. Moreover, Blacks in Egypt called their Pharaohs "En-ger" or "N-g-r" he was literally referred to as "THE GOD."

It is very possible that when the Romans tried to invade Nubia, they asked for the name of the God and the term "N-g-r" was probably used in place of "leader" or "king". In Angola, the same also happened during the 1600's when the word "N-gola" which means "King" (notice the "N" and the "g" in this word as well), came to be "Angola,' the name of a kingdom in south western Africa.
(Read more on Nubian, Egyptian, West African and ancient American trade and commercial connections in ancient times; see the book, "Susu Economics: The History of Pan-African Trade, Commerce, Money and Wealth," published by 1stBooks Library, http://www.1stbooks.com also see http://www.barnesandnoble.com

WHERE DID THE ROMANS FIRST HEAR THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THE "N" WORD.

A Roman general invading Nubia from Egypt would probably have used the Egyptian term for Pharaoh, which was "N-g-r" (God). This term then was used to refer to all Blacks and as time went by, the word N-g-r became Niger. In Fact, the Romans also classified their Emperors as "Gods," to follow the Egyptian style. Moreover, as the History Channel poointed out, "Rome was a collection of villages before the Egyptians built it up."(paraphrased).
The word "em-peror" sounds very close to the word "en-jer." That is not a coincidental connection.

THE WORD "N-G-R" (EN-JER) AFTER IT WAS CORRUPTED BY THE EUROPEANS

Niger = (Latin or Black/African pronounced "ni-ger.")

Nero = Italian for Black
Negre = French for Black
Negro = Spanish for Black
The English called Blacks "Moore" or "Black-a-Moore" before they began using the word
"Negro" to refer to Blacks. FROM THAT WORD CAME THE RACIAL EPITHET, "NIGG.."

In like manner, the racist term for Japanese the mutilation of the word to shorten it into an epithet. Furthermore, the original name for Japan is the Chinese "Ni-Han." Now here is another great mystry that people who study the Niger-Congo linguistic family would quickly notice. EVEN THE WORD "Ni" in the Chinese "Ni-Han," has and ancient African connection. In fact, as Clyde Walters points out, The Chinese language is directly related to the Niger-Congo language which has its roots in the Cameroon region of Africa. In fact, there are thousands of African words from Cameroon to Kenya that have both prefixes and suffixes that are identical to both Chinese and Japanese languages (see also African Presence in Early Asia, by Ivan Van Sertima; Transaction Publishers)

In the Case of "Ni-Han" which may mean "rising sun," there is also a sacred meaning that is found in the word "n-ger," or "ne-gro." Yet, the racist terms "nip," and "nigg..." or "jap," used by racists were and are being used without any understanding of their original meanings. Only hatred and envy comes out of the mouths of those who use racial epithets in their attempt to insult and denegrade others. However, it is up to us to study our history and make these racist words impotent, while at the same time, understanding their original meaning.

Connection with the prefix "ni" with sacred and life:

Ni'le = The Nile River, Life to the Egyptians

Ni-ger = River in West Africa
Niger = Nation in West Africa
Nigeria = Nation in West Africa

Nago = Racist term used by some SE Asians to refer to Black Melanesians of Africoid origins

Nago-Mina = African nationality in Nigeria

Naghual = Aztec word for Shaman or priest. The first Olmec Shamans in Mexico came from Nigeria and elsewhere in West Africa (see Black Civilizations of America http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire

THE ORIGINS OF THE TERM "HUN."

The racist term for whites also comes from a word that struck fear in the hearts of whites during the ancint times. That word is "Hun." The Huns were Mongol barbarians from Mongolia who tried to invade China and finally succeeded. THye invaded Eurasia from Russia all the way to Germany and mixed in with the Caucasians. Hence, the British began calling Germans the term "Hun."

The countries of Hungary, East Germany, northern Italy, Russia, Poland and much of Eastern Europe is mixed with the Mongol invaders. There were Mongol invaders in Turkey, Afghanistan, India, and many nations.

THE MONGOLS WERE DEFEATED BY NUBIANS AND MAMELUKES

When the Huns tried to invade Egypt (sometime in the 1100's), they were met by a strong force of Nubians and Mamelukes (white slaves from slavic, Turkics from Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Turkey and such nations), who were soldiers for the Egyptian rulers. The Mongols were defeated and that was the end of the Mongol Empire. Moreover, they were thinly spread over Eurasia. They also met a crack cavalry of Nubian horsemen and archers, who had a tradition of archery that extends way back to ancient Egyptian times.

When one studies the history of the Huns in Europe, it is one of the most horrible genocides that existed (the genocide against Black Sudras and Black Australoids in India is another great genocide; see "Sudrology, http://dalitstan.org )
The huns ravaged Europe and are said to spread the blacck plague by shooting plague infested rats in the walled towns of the Europeans to infest them.

WE MUST STUDY OUR HISTORY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP OUR CONSCIOUSNESS AND MAKE PEOPLE'S RACIST REMARKS IMPOTENT

We must study our history. It is by knowing who we are that racist remarks and racial epithets will become impotent. Every time one uses the word "nigg..." to refer to a Black person, they are actually calling that person "God." When we Blacks say that our Afro's and locks are "natural," we don't realize the significance of the word or the true meaning. But something in our consciousness simply cannot be destroyed. To say we are going "natural," means we are going back to being "gods," because the word "natural," comes from the original Egyptian word, "n-t-y-r" which means "God." The ancient Egyptians used a similar word to call their Pharoahs. That word was "N-g-r." The word "Pharaoh," was never used to refer to any Egyptian King. Pharaoh came from the word "Per-o" which was the term for the Great Temple, where the King lived.

In reality when one calls a black NIGGER he is calling the black man god...isnt that so interesting. Ignorant whites will never learn

*haha*

Ummm, Mugabe is killing more blacks than whites anyway. So your logic is completely flawed.
But I agree, leave Africa for the Africans, ship all the blacks in the USA back to Africa. Stop the billions of dollars in aid. Then sit back and watch. Because African rulers do such a good job of managing Africa! In a few years there will be no Africans left, they will murder each other, starve to death, mismanage everything, and rob themselves blind.
I am South African, and saw it happen. The majority of rape/murder/crime is black on black.
I have of course left South Africa..

Have fun!

Dear people,

I have read all the comments on this website and had mixed emotions throughout the hour that it took me to read it.

We have a non-profit charitable organization whose purpose includes educating the international world on what is currently happening in South Africa.

One of the comments I frequently notice on this board is that Boers took (stole) this land from the Blacks. That is not true. This is why: the first settlers came to SA in 1652. There were no blacks in Southern Africa at that point. It was inhabitat by Hottentots and Bushmen. These two tribes were destroyed by small-pox outbreaks. The settlers tried to stop the outbreaks by providing the only medicines they knew to use at that time. Today the Hottentots and Bushmen are integrated into the Coulerds nations in SA. The blacks only came down to SA in the late 1700's when the British brought them down to SA as slaves to work in the Gold Mines.

Therefor I would like everyone on this website to make sure they have studied SA history, British history and have lived in SA for at least 2 years before making comments.

If you require any further information regarding the history of SA please contact our organization at: <a href="url">http://sarelief.com

As an Australian I've seen the many families of white South Africans (Afrikaans and English) fleeing to my country to escape the absolute kaos and mob rule of the once proud and prosperous nation of South Africa. Having visited South Africa myself on numerous occasions it is plainly clear that the entire country has fallen into an absolute black hole. Blacks were given the chance to show what they were capable of and they certainly did that. Murder, rape, torture and absolute political and judicial corruption and negligence. The fact is that the majority of black South Africans were safer and led better lives under the apartheid rule. In return to the comments made by many blacks that they are going to wipe every white out of South Africa and ultimately Africa I have this to say. All over the world and particulary in Australia many folk are very sympathetic to the whites plight, within the extremely professional and capable Australian Defence Force many are becoming so sympathetic that they have already left Australia to one day take the war against the kaotic blacks and other individuals. Don't believe ignorant blacks that the whites of South Africa are alone, if they clearly ask of the world's white South African sympathisers to take up arms against you, we will push you back into your proper place.

2nd Lieutenat
Australian Army
Northern Commandos

Some have written in hate. Hate is of the Enemy. Some have written of idealism and have been accused of ignorance. They are not ignorant. They are not sheltered. Some have even lived the lives of those who suffer. They merely aim for godly values. Those of you who insult them, have lost the image of YHWH that lives in us all. We, black, brown, white, can rise above the stereotypes of society. It has been done many times. Will everyone rise to that state? Unlikely. Does that mean no black can rise to that state. Absolutely not. Many have risen, but are not paid any attention to, or are killed by their own black brothers. Does that mean, then that blacks are stupid? No different than the whites who kill, rape, and molest each other's children. Every culture, as a whole, is wicked. Of course, for this world is the territory of the Enemy, and he does a wonderful job of what he does best, corrupting mankind. Individuals who find YHWH, of all colors, rise above the sad stupidity of the masses, whose comments seem to reek on this website. I will pray for you all, for we all need Him. May He have mercy on us all.

Hey liberator, you keep up with that brilliant revisionist mythology. I have to hand it to you, that was quite a spiel. Clearly you have nothing better to do with yourself. When you get off the crack, give me a call!

So by the way, whom of you knew that WHITE South Africa was literraly handed over to the ANC.
Ex pres. Botha went to America for 3 weeks and had private talks with the US council, planning the the hand-over. Botha is a traitor to his own nation.

Anyway...UHURU is coming,we must be ready. Predictions were made in the late 1800's.

Examples : The prophet saw a AFRICAN leader die, his body to be dislpayed in glass for 7 days..8'th day all hell will brake loose = lately in the news : (And I quote) "Mandela is so important to us that he should be displayed for the whole world to see. A glass coffin with the coorect measurements have allready been made."

I'm sorry about getting it wrong - It was NOT PW Botha. It was FW de KLERK.

Just to let you know

To all of you hate mongers of black or white or mixed race:

Stop hating each other. We are on this earth either to get along or get off this earth. Many of you have so much hate and anger and bitterness in your writing. one day you all will regret it.

Black or White, Red or Y ellow, Brown, Green or whatever
color your skin is, stop hating. We don't need a race war

nessiephrenia
by amplifiering happiness reflector Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2005 at 9:45 PM

Those who are new around here should be aware that certain people have been forging my name to posts I didn’t write, in a pathetic attempt to discredit me. This is called “black propaganda,” and has a long, rich history.

See:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/07/138397_comment.php#138482

The way to tell if I actually wrote something is simple. If it sounds like something I wouldn’t say, it wasn’t.

To see what I really say, click here:
http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/
http://www.transbay.net/~nessie/
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/149993_comment.php#150095

(snip)

(1.) My name isn’t nessie.

(2.) But that has nothing to do with whether I can prove it. I can’t prove it. So what? That, doesn’t mean it’s not true. Personally, I don’t care whether you believe me or not. If you don’t believe me, then you’re not who I’m talking to. I’m talking people smart enough to know that when something that is inconsistent with the bulk of my writing comes signed with my name, it’s a forgery. Anybody who’s not smart enough to grasp that, wouldn’t understand what I was saying, anyway.

(3.) Besides, who it was that wrote something is irrelevant. Only content counts. If it’s true, it doesn’t matter who says it, or why. The truth is the truth, period.

(4.) Later, when you encounter something with my name on it, posted somewhere else on the internet, consider that it may be a forgery. If it is consistent with what you know I have actually written, then I wrote it. If it is not consistent, then it’s a forgery. If you can’t tell the difference, you’re too stupid to understand what I’m saying, anyway, so don’t waste time trying.

*snip*

It's not about the writing. It's about the name.

*snip*

But remember, if only the content counts, and if it's true, and if it doesn't matter who says it or why, then is it really a forgery? Educate yourself. Start today.

*snip*

My signature can only be trusted here:

http://sf.indymedia.org/

here:

http://www.transbay.net/~nessie/

and most of here:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/

What goes around comes around, by what you are saying, you have every right to kill white people for what they did to your ancestors. Right?
So in a hundred years does that mean you give permission for White's to kill your grandchildren? What right do you have that we don't? Neverending!!

shocked, that's all good and well and sounds very nice...in American terms, but has no relevance in South African terms. If you had any idea of the mindset that exists in modern day South Africa, then you'd soon realise that your naive idealism of wanting blacks and whites to settle things without violence is quite frankly laughable mate. The black man has seen that violence in the form of armed robberies, rape/child rape (highest in the world for both), murder(highest in the world),hijacking,cash in transit heists and violence on children is not sufficiently punishable, so they go forth and hold the country prisoner with their acts of mindless brutality and the ANC government does nothing to stop them. Farm murders are unfortunately a hidden horror of modern day South Africa with slaughter of white people in their hundreds...no-one in America would allow this to happen, or anywhere else in the world for that matter without there being consequences. This has been so well camouflaged by the black ANC government that the average person in South Africa has caved in to the dire situation and accepted that nothing will ever be done to rectify these blatant human rights abuses. White farmers are out there on their own and the world is none the wiser.

shocked, that's all good and well and sounds very nice...in American terms, but has no relevance in South African terms. If you had any idea of the mindset that exists in modern day South Africa, then you'd soon realise that your naive idealism of wanting blacks and whites to settle things without violence is quite frankly laughable mate. The black man has seen that violence in the form of armed robberies, rape/child rape (highest in the world for both), murder(highest in the world),hijacking,cash in transit heists and violence on children is not sufficiently punishable, so they go forth and hold the country prisoner with their acts of mindless brutality and the ANC government does not stop them. Farm murders are unfortunately a hidden horror of modern day South Africa with slaughter of white people in their hundreds...no-one in America would allow this to happen, or anywhere else in the world for that matter without there being consequences. This has been so well camouflaged by the black ANC government that the average person in South Africa has caved in to the dire situation and accepted that nothing will ever be done to rectify these blatant human rights abuses. White farmers are out there on their own and the world is none the wiser.

I think that what is happening is very awful! i can't stand hearing or listening to this. I think that all this should be stopped! Immediately!

Dear People

I can just add and say we white people wanted to make a contribution we do not hate black people but we are pushed out we cannot get jobs ,I just wondered why did 99 percent of the white people voted for the new south africa if all of us were so bad? We white women cannot even go and sit here in cape town in the city centre at a restaurant alone without black men comming up and trying to make a pass ,we are scared ,asian women are ridiculed and called names , and the poor farmers they are food producers who feed 47 million people here in south Africa what food are we going to have once they are gone ,and I believe we will face a massacare one Mr Mandela dies ,he was a good man but we are not on the right track in this country anymore corruption is terrible our infrastructure are falling apart we need to retain our skilled people instead of chasing them away with affirmative action ,I wish a country in the world want to give us visas ,we cannot undone the past but the new south africa has killed more white people in 10 years than what the whole of the apartheid Goverment hasnt done . apartheid was based upon fear fear for the Africans who had a reputation for killing and raping in Africa . Apartheid gave every ethnic group a place ,blacks had Universities and schools ect under apartheid billions of rands were poured into the homelands with white money. it is time the true facts were exposed. I believe that many black people in South africa also do not condone the killing of our food producers but I think that our Goverments is busy with a very subttle ethnic cleansing program. we face a tragedy to come in this land ... Cry the beloved country once again..

South Africa under black rule and so called multiculturalism is a failure and just like the rest of black run Africa, it will remain a failure! South Africa and it's people have been sold down the drain to communism and terrorism. Multiculturalism is a failure all across the world.....the riots in France and in Britain recently have proved just that. People of different cultures and races cannot live side by side, there is always animosity, even below the boiling point...continuously, and that does not mean only black/white relations.
The ANC are a communist regime, no doubt about it and a white hating regime to boot! Are they turning a blind eye to the farm killings, daily murders, rapes, hijackings, armed robberies across South Africa? No! They know very well what is taking place in the country and I believe they endorse it, but with their socialist cronies in power in Europe, they are safe and know it. The left wing run media makes double sure of that while the filthy rich elite and scum of the music and film industry play into their hands with their cry to end poverty whilst lining their own pockets and bank accounts to capacity... and Africa starves and dies under dictators while the west sits and watches.
Sure there were crimes commited under apartheid, but there are crimes commited in all countries under all governments. But the crimes now being commited by black people against white people in South Africa and blaming apartheid is ridiculous...to put it mildly, and this is all done knowingly by the government who continually laugh it off and say, crime is reducing in South Africa.... horseshit! Crime is not reducing, the media are not printing or telling it all, they are not allowed to. The ANC, with "saint nelson" at the helm of their public relations department, travelling the world conning the sheeple into parting with billions for the "upliftment" of the so called dis-enfranchised and under priviledged blacks of South Africa are doing a great job at hiding the real truth. Under the ANC communist aligned regime, South Africa has turned into a cauldron of filth, hate, rape, murder and corruption like no other country in the world. In truth it's entire infrastructure is falling apart at the seams. The education system is a joke....if blacks don't pass classes or tuition is increased, then the whites are called racist and the black students resort to violence and even murder in some instances....which means if you are stupid or have not put in the necessary work to qualify for a certificate or degree, just burn the school or university down? Sounds just like the days of apartheid...."revolution before education", they cried!
South Africa now likes to call itself an emerging economy when in actual fact is it was a first world economy now emerging into a fully blown third world cesspool, but of course told by the government that it's growth rate is near 6%...by God, their noses must be two feet long by now? Afirmative action and nepotism have put blacks into positions of power who are not capable of running a shebeen (tavern). Millions of qualified people have either lost their jobs or been one step ahead and quit the country while the going was good. Millions more are destined to be on the streets soon. The average black person on the street has never been so impoverished as right now under these goons. Squatter camps have sprung up across the entire country filled with blacks from God alone knows where and unemployment has topped 50%....and crime is down they blabber? The majority of the South African police force has been reduced to a gang of thugs who are responsible for much of the crime commited as opposed to the criminals they are supposed to be aprehending. The defence force has been taken over by the scum from M.K. both in the ranks and at the helm and then there is of course the aids thing? Eight out of ten black soldiers reporting in sick are H.I.V. positive or are in the final stages of the disease. Disipline is non existant. Black pilots are crashing planes because they cannot qualify properly and low & behold the white racist instructor who says they have failed their course or private pilots licence. South African Airways decided to send their trainee black pilots to Australia for training because it was deemed impossible for them to pass under white South African racist instructors. Well guess what? After not too long, the Aussies told the government the deal was off, they couldn't cope with the idiots and sent them home. The same thing happened with a contingent of black sailors sent to Germany to sail home a submarine South Africa had built over there...the Germans would not hand over the boat because they said these incompitent morons would cause chaos whilst sailing through the English Channel amongst a vast number of ships. The South African airforce runs out of fuel every September due to lack of funds. Looking at the false overall position of South Africa from afar it may be percieved as doing fine, but in actual fact, things are deteriorating daily. Prices have soared and the rand is truly African Mickey Mouse money, although not as bad as Zimbabwe...yet!
The elite of the west who want total control cannot have countries like South Africa and Rhodesia being first world rouge states who wouldn't conform, so they destroyed them intentionally. People will do whatever they are told to do when they are hungry, live in constant fear under brutal dictators like mugabe and his still comparitively quiet pal mbeki. Israel is going the same way as South Africa. Another organisation that should be burried are the United Nations, they are nothing but a terrorist loving left wing bunch of loudmouths living off the backs of the world.

In the bible states do not mix your race with a different race- Stick to your own kind. But look futher than colour. Who rapes, muggs, shoots and even stabes a person for somthing stupid. Watch the T.V and every 3rd or 4th month there is a program about racsism. Get into an arguement with a an African and he will bring up the past. Look at the BEE, 11-12 years into the new South Africa and still they are not statisfied. America is into it for how long and still complaints and arguements are happening about them being apressed. Think back a couple of years- yes it was bad- but you could walk down the street at 10'oclock and not get robbed. Now you get robbed at 4 pm in your drive way.
Who do you see TOY TOYING down the street, who do you see burning tyres, who do you see in the streets shooting at cops( recent taxi war on police-The Star 24th November 2005) .
I mean for fuck sake get over it, move on. There is an old saying The whites will never stand together, yes you are right, for certain people like myself and a few others, we work hard for what we have and no person white, black, coloured, pink , blue , grey or yellow is going to take it away from me/us. I have prepared for the day Mendela Dies and so have other whites, indains and coloured's I know of. Let me leave you with a thought- A wise man preapares for war in a time of peace, I will rather be prepared than unprepared, if nothing happens we have lost nothing but gain trust, loyalty and the understanding to work with other nations to combat evil- who ever it maybe.
Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin

The problem in the New South Africa today is that there are far too few whites, they are being disarmed by the anc government and systematically being murdered by blacks at every opportunity...and the united nations and the liberal west turn a convenient blind eye. Their favorite line is...."South Africa was handed over to the anc in a democratic election". Maybe, but does democracy serve all South Africans equally today? No!
Who will come to the aid of the white South Africans and Rhodesians.....the answer is no one! Who do you think put the anc in power in the first place, who aided and abbeted them during there murderous struggle to power......the leftist multiculturist socialists and communists of the west, that's who! Now the commies are in control of the anarchy and mess that was intended for Southern Africa they are not going to let 4 million whites get in their way. I fear for the whites left in Southern Africa as they are at the mercy of a race that has another two thousand years to go to learn even the meaning of mercy and empathy. What these leftist idiots in Europe and America are not yet quite aware of, is that given time, their own countries are going to be ravaged by these barbarians......in fact it is quite plain to see in France already. That is a nation over run by blacks who burn and kill whoever and whenever they please. Over the next ten years the entire world is going to be in for some brutal times, thanks to a hand full of arseholes who want to decide the fate of the masses of humanity.

You sound like you are just frog-jumping across the globe. If Black Rule is that bad why did you bother to go to South Africa? You are Lebanese as you said...why didn't you stay in Lebanon? Why have you gone to America?

To the above post.

Who are you answering or replying too?

You make me sick with your threats and promises to get rid of white people - you really are effective when it comes to raping children, killing old people and torturing the disabled - what happens when it comes to fighting able bodied white men? You run like old women with wet pants. You are sickening - sold your own people down the river for years and then blamed the whites for "slavery" - you treat your own women no better than whores and your children no better than bastards. You idiot bastards - you don't measure up to decent human standards - you know it, we know it the media however continues to parade you as "victims" In South Africa there is a well known story of when Che Guevara came to Angloa to stir up the "peasants" (blacks) against the "colonial powers" (The Portuguese) Che found the local africans so mindless and stupid that he gave up and went back to Cuba, horrified that "workers" and "labourers" could be so stupid- the results of the african "revolution" are clear to see in Angola - a 30 year civil war and grinding povery - as usual the africans stuff it up. Go back to eating maggots.

White Slaughter Read this White Slaughter

Dear AFRICANS

South Africa has always been a dangerous place .. its just with the dismantling of Apatheid - we all share the danger together ..

I find it disconcerting when people say it was better funder Apatheid . What a load of NONSENSE . Better for who?

what whites dont understand is that black people are victimised (directly and indirectly) in all corners of the globle.Often going through hell to get jobs that they are more than qualified for ..Most times not getting jobs at all.

This is in countries like US,Germany,Britain and so on . Now to think blacks in africa have - till the last few years - been victims of the worst kind of racism - apattheid..one of the most brutal examples of mans in humanity to man, and this was in AFRICA , sends chills down my spine ..

This was a crime commmited by boers to africans who are more african they those boers will ever be..

If you dont like Africa go back to your father land . Go back to Holland, England and so forth.

Africa is for africans

To that white south african cunt that insinuated that " there were no blacks in SA but bushen and the like " when the boers arrived in 1650.

Do you actally no the history of your country . Please, what ever your name is ... i suggest you go back and read the history of SA before you open your mouth.

And others out there threatening white retaliatiatory attacks . The days of blood river Andreas Pretorious are long gone . Blacks are well armed NOW , pallie ..

These Kaffirs get their weapons even easier than you can on that black market you refer to..

And there are more of them than you whites .

does that mean, two rongs make a right, u stupid bitch, what is your iq also only 80.

According to the news coming from South Africa and the African continent since the mid 1990's and before. The GENOCIDES happening in Southern Africa have been perpetrated and fueled both through weathering tampering (in Zimbabwe), ownership of African lands by a tiny foreign element, the suspicition that Africans in Southern Africa were DELIBERATELY INFECTED WITH AIDS, the years of genocidal schemes including creating bioweapons to attack Blacks, and a number of other schemes.
THIS IS WHAT THE 'WEST' KNOWS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS IN SOUTH AFRICA BEFORE APARTHEID WAS ELIMINATED.

Genocide is the continued poverty in South Africa, THE SUPREMACIST ATTACK ON ZIMBABWE, the mass destruction of Africans in Congo since the Belgium Days, the provocation and the ACTUAL SPREADING OF PROPAGANDA BY A WHITE BELGIUM PROPAGANDIST IN RWANDA, the use of the SEMITE-ORIENTED in Sudan to commit genocide against PURE AFRICAN CUSHITES LIKE THE DINKA, NUBA, NUER, FUR, MASSALIT and others.

When speaking of 'genocide' against 'whites' let us be clear that genocide against Africans have been going on in Africa for the past 500 years and since the 1500's about 100 million Africans have been wiped out due to the slave trade, land theft and occupation and other racist and colonial schemes.

What has Africans as a collective body done about it? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! Africa has no colonial policy to RETAKE NORTHERN AFRICA FROM THE 'SEMITE' OCCUPIERS. Africa has no policy to drive Europeans out of South Africa. Africa has no policy to develop weapons to retaliate against those responsible for the underdevelopment of Africa, slavery, genocide, racism and all types of evil.

The racist and genocidal tricks of the perpetrators of hatred, racism and genocide against Africans is such that the old tricks of using the North African 'Semites' to ravage and destroy African civilizations (Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Kanem, Swahili, Black Egypt, Sudan, many others including Zimbabwe (Mwenemutapa)...this racist scheme continues today in Sudan. The very same perpetrators of genocide pushed into Africa by the Europeans from the 700's A.D. THEIR POLICY AND THEIR CULTURE AND 'DESCENDENTS' ARE PROMOTING GENOCIDE IN SUDAN, WHILE THE 'WEST' THE 'EAST' AND PARASITIC NATIONS ARE ARMING THEM TO COMMIT GENOCIDE AGAINST BLACK AFRICANS.

The real genocice is the attempt to starve out the population of Zimbabwe with sunctions SIMPLY BECAUSE AFRICANS IN ZIMBABWE WANT THEIR ANCESTRAL LANDS? Where is the starving of the Germans and Russians for attacking Blacks, for burning the hostels of Blacks during the mid 1990's or for the continued genocidal attacks against Black Indigenous Africans who have been in Latin America before columbus (see "A History of the African-Olmecs," http://www.authorhouse.com also see "A History of Education Book II," http://www.xlibris.com and "Susu Economics," http://www.AuthorHouse.com )

The problems in South Africa have to do with the rights of Africans to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The ancient and modern African policy in regards to foreign people living in their lands is to treat them with dignity AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT HOSTILE TO THE AFRICAN PEOPLE. The African Constitution which is the basic and most efficient system of social relationships and governance in Africa for the past 20,000 years is still the policy of the Black African and Pan-Negro people. The very fact that in most TRUELY NEGROID/BLACK nations there is the idea of recognition of our women IS PART OF THE OLD AFRICAN CONSTITUTION.

Yet, one of the schemes of genocide being pushed on Africans by the tricky western 'NGO'S' is the racist and divisive idea that WOMEN ARE TO BE UPLIFTED but families are to be destroyed. This is the same racist trick that has led to the women of Europe and the US refusing to have children or keep families.

When we speak of genocide, abortion, homosexuality and radical feminism are all aspects of genocide being pushed by the racist NGO'S WHO THINK THEY KNOW BETTER THAN AFRICANS. Yet, instead of rejecting these ideas from the enemies of Black people, some of us follow blindly. How is it that Africa will accept birthcontrol and steriliization schemes from the Northern nations, yet, in the Northern nations, their governments and people are PAYING THEIR WOMEN TO TAKE FERTILITY PILLS TO HAVE MULTIPLE BIRTHS, EVEN WHEN HALF OF THE CHILDREN ARE BORN WITH MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PROBLEMS?

AFRICA BEWARE OF BIRDFLU GENOCIDE

At the very moment we are talking and Africans are being accused of 'genocide' ANOTHER GLOBAL GENOCIDAL TRICK IS BEING UNLEAHSED JUST AS THE INVENTED AIDS VIRUS WAS USED TO CONTROL AFRICAN POPULATION GROWTH.

The so-called 'birdflu' virus has suddenly found itself in Nigeria after flying ALL THE WAY FROM ASIA? Hence, birds infected with the bird flu suddenly flew along the length of Asia and infected Nigerian poultry.

This really sounds like a scheme and AFRICANS REFUSED THE SO-CALLED 'POLIO' VIRUS, BUT THE WHO forced or convinced them to vaccinate people. Now there is talk about a 'birdflu' in poultry. What next? They will say that the diseases that were spread to the American Indians due to having sex with Europeans and infected blankets came from birds also?

Many people actually believe the people who should know more about where these 'diseases' and 'viruses' came from. People like Duesburg and Boyd Graves http://www.duesberg.com http://www.duesburg.com http://www.boydgraves.com

AFRICANS IN SOUTHERN AFRICA SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL AND SHOULD TAKE MEASURES OF SELF-PRESERVATION.

The trick of accusing Africans of 'genocide' when Africans are actually tolerating foreign occupiers on their lands in places likee Northern Africa, who belong else where, is what has to be worried about. Are Africans not suffering REAL AND ACTUAL GENOCIDE FROM SEMITIC-RELATED OCCUPIERS IN SUDAN, MAURITANIA AND ELSEWHERE?

As far as South Africa is concerned, Blacks are still suffering tremendous hardship. The world knows that very well. Now that Africans in South Africa are being accused of 'genocide' for wanting freedom and economic opportunity for all Africans and others in South Africa, THEN AFRICANS MUST BE PREPARED FOR THE ACCUSERS TO THEMSELVES DO ANYTHING. AFRICANS MUST HAVE A FORTRESS MENTALITY AND APPLY SELF-PRESERVATION.

Hence, one has to ask, WHY WAS THERE NO 'AIDS' PROBLEM IN SOUTH AFRICA BEFORE THE ABOLITION OF APARTHEID. There was nothing heard about millions of Africans being infected including babies and children who should not have any type of AIDS disease.

JMatse

I just want to say i fully understand and appreciate the sense of seige currently engulfing the white population of south africa . I understand how idiots like kaffir killer feel..

Ha, ha, ha...Oh yes people ...

The ball is on the other foot now i see. Up till 1994 - as far as the white south african people were concerned - South africa was a place of Profound beauty ; lovely landscapes and adorable wild life .The BREAD BASKET OF AFRICA .

Oh yes people oh yes .

The Apatheid regime presented white south africa with its own welfare system - white people were , for the most part, sheltered from the "rough side" of africa . A white persons' right to the best part of africa was guaranteed at birth .

A useless, unskilled boer man and woman could still live the life of paradise in south africa cos of apatheid . That safety blanket is gone my dear white south africans and it is gone forever ..

I have seen and heard of white south africans that have lived in wealthy SA suburbs and have never come in close contact with the blacks of SA all their life . And they were very happy with that state of affairs .

White south africans seem to want a paradise away from home in the midst of africa ,... but AWAY from the indigenous africans . With their boer culture ,way of life and white domination over the black africans - enshrined in constition if need be . Anything deviating from this is a big threat to majority of white SA .

The truth is white southfricans have had it SO GOOD for SOOO LONG they dont know what real suffering is . But now they are getting a taste ..

ha, ha, ....

There is common misconseption about the Africaan people - based on the premise that africaans were so very hard working and industrious and free of corruption plaguing many black african govts . BULLSHIT

Corruption was rife in the Voeder, John Vorster, Pw Botha governments . Its just that these governments benefited from concentrating their resources on a small section of the community . Oh and for the most part,... white SA and white Rhodesians were, for the most part, UNITED in their aims and objectives . The pendulum was moved .

I was laughing my head off when someone white south african said that in 100 years SA will be a complete waste

To all the white south frican cunts that ASSUME africa will die and disintegrate when you guys leave .. LOOK AROUND YOU ...

These Kaffirs are going to the best schools and universities in the world . They are amongst the best students ..And bit by bit they are aquiring the skills and technques that were denied them by the bastard regimes of Vorster, smith and co

It is taking blacks a long time but as generations pass they are learing from the mistakes of our fore fathers .

White South africans UNDERESTIMATE black south africans but you do so at your peril . I know not all whites are racist, but you can get too USE TO A GOOD THING... WHICH IS IN WHITE SOUTH AFRICAS CASE - LORDING IT OVER BLACKS ..

But those days are gone my friends . Work with us or go ..

The very fact that SA govt has had to implement a policy of affirmative is a chilling indictment of the affects of the Apatheid regime .

Think about it: blacks needs affirmative action to get jobs in THEIR COUNTRY ..

shocking !!!

To white south africans - blacks will prosper with or without you ..

What also amuses me is when that stupid journalist Janni Allen advertises her ignorance by proclaiming the Apatheid regime was a paradise for blacks..

Miss Alen - your wish of a independant, automous white boer state is pure "pipe dream" my dear. Whether you like it or not - you will be ruled by the blacks .

get use to it !!!!!!

Your nightmare

South Africa is rapidly joining it's Northern neighbours like Zimbabwe, Congo, Uganda, Zambia and all the others on a spiral into decay, filth, anarchy and poverty. People like "Joseph", the writer who professes to know all about apartheid and it's evils needs to cast off his racist herd boys blanket and face facts.
South Africa is now run by a bunch of communists under the guise of democracy and are still the scum bag terrorists they always were. What Joseph fails to understand, and for the life of him will never understand, is that black South Africans were sold down the drain by the ANC and the socialist leftist West who wanted South Africa under a strong white run government who would not "tow the line" with leftist policy...so to speak, destroyed. The liberal West supplied the money for the Russians and communist Chinese to train and arm the black cannon fodder....to no avail. For fourty six years 40 million blacks couldn't overthrow 7 million whites. They tried terrorist tactics, they tried sanctions against the country by their stupid marxist pals from the West and still they couldn't accomplish anything.....No, they had to be handed South Africa on a platter by a bunch of sellout whites in the apartheid government who pulled the biggest con in the history of South Africa..."the De Klerk run referendum", whereby whites voted to hand the country over to the rabble that are now in the process of dragging it into total decay and mayhem. For the record, I was not one of those dumb whites who couldn't see the forest for the tree's.....I voted NO!
Black Africans have proved beyond doubt that they cannot manage, maintain or run the countries they are in control of and South Africa is no exception. Joseph talks of useless unskilled "Boers" who could and did live in paradise just because they were white..... what utter crap! Who the hell does he think fed him and his family for decades......cleaver educated and highly skilled black farmers?? Ho, ho, he,he....what a crock of horse shit! He needs to look at the illiterate black scum in South Africa now holding down jobs of importance and skill who have no better than a grade three......what is this moron talking about?? He and his black brothers have had more than eleven years at running South Africa and what have they achieved besides afirmative action that clearly doesn't work, the steady and constant breakdown of the once first world infrastructure and the implementation of laws that now openly allow black civilians to slaughter whites at will. The ANC are systematically disarming the whites and arming the blacks for the turkey shoot when mandela dies. Blacks bitched and moaned about "bantu" education they recieved in South Africa that 99% of the rest of black Africa would have killed for, but that was not good enough for them! Now, after being given "white" education, they can't handle that, so the education level has been degraded over the past eleven years back to the same bantu education they had......and still they are incapable of passing fairly out of high school, hence you have these illiterate arseholes in places of power and importance earning big bucks, while whitey does the actual work! Every aspect of South Africa has been degraded to the gutter. Government health care, police, defence, big & small business, education, law & order and the millions who have had the good sense to see the writing on the wall long ago and left.....myself and my family being amongst them.
I have news for Joseph, big time! You have been brainwashed and bullshitted to over decades, just as your fathers and grandfathers were. The ANC are nothing more than stooges and goons for the white elite who are really in control of Africa and in fact the world. They are the only reason blacks are suposedly in control of the Sub Continent, not because of the black stooges who incited you to hate and kill whites for your so called "freedom!" You are further from being free than you would ever believe....in fact I find it hard to believe someone even as stupid as yourself believes that! You have been successfully brainwashed and coerced into your actions and thoughts over time, just like so many whites around the world about apartheid. You may be in control of the boat but not in it's direction. Africa is a failure under black rule and always will be. You still need apartheid to survive as a black race in South Africa because without apartheid you would have to blame the whites of Europe and America for your failure to take a first world country and run it, maintain it and above all....have peace there. You kling to apartheid like a leach, using it as your crutch for your incapabilities and failures as a race. Remember "houtkop".....you can take the kaffir out the bush, but you can never ever take the bush out the kaffir....remember that!

South African blacks 'necklacing' a female.
If you don't know what necklacing meant what what things these people are capable of thus torture on farms you will now.

You can wait till it loads or you can save the movie 'download' link and view it in Internet Explorer.

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1139216484/Democracy_In_Action_

In reply to Joseph, who seems so extremely happy about now having the upper hand over white South Africans....I say! No matter how much you blacks like to think you are educated, no matter how many whites you extort, rape, murder, hijack and abuse, you will always remain what you were born......a kaffir!

Yes houtkop...the ball is in your court now, but what to do with it is your struggle, and yes again tennis ball head....South Africa was the bread basket of all Africa where it's black inhabitants were kept in order stopping them from turning the country into what it is today, a cauldron of filth, murder, rape and total anarchy, stopping you from hacking one another to death along with the rest of us, which you are today making up for. They were also given a free education that the rest of black Africa could only dream of, an education black leaders told them to destroy, and destroy it they did. You were not capable of handling "bantu" education and you have proved beyond doubt that "white" education has slid over your heads at the speed of light. In fact your scum bag government has degraded the education level in South Africa to below the old "bantu" education and still blacks have to be pushed through grades up to grade twelve due to their inabilities. Yes, yes....I know, it's the legacy of apartheid that is the cause.....BULLSHIT! Now you blacks show that you cannot move forward, you need apartheid as a crutch to get by because you don't want the rest of the world who sided with you in your so called struggle for freedom to see the truth about you lot.
Under apartheid you were kept in line, not allowed to vote, and thank God.....kept in your self made stinking hovel townships. Since your so called "freedom" just look at the state of South Africa, it is no better than soweto or alexander township.....one huge stinking filthy shit hole. You Joseph, are way too stupid to even imagine or glimpse the truth about what has happened to South Africa, but I will give you some food for thought! The destruction of apartheid South Africa was brought about not by your terrorist vermin bombing us or by sanctions put on us by the leftist West, it was done by white traitors within the apartheid government working with the scum who control the world. Do you really think blacks own South Africa today? Think again! South Africa is owned by white people, who some of, have never set foot in the country. Others like the Openheimers and the Reuperts among a host of others are the real rulers. The ANC are highly paid stooges for the elite "white" controlers of the world, the very people responsible for the downfall of Africas only first world country. They could not have rouge states like South Africa and Rhodesia in place not towing the party line, so they destroyed them by turning the country over to the rabble they knew would do their dirty work for them, and done it you have. The black, Asian and white community in South Africa mean nothing to the ANC or their silent white partners in the East & West.

All countries in Africa run by blacks are a failure......fact! All black run countries in Africa are dependant on aid from the West, another fact, and that includes South Africa under the communist inspired ANC. You stupid doos'....you claim that blacks are now going to the best schools and universities in the world....ha, ha, ha....they used to be amongst the best schools and universities in the world untill you rabble were allowed inside to emulate studying. South African university degrees are no longer recognised in the West as being first world, people need to upgrade when going to the West before they are excepted in degreed positions, which means black South Africans should just stay at home because they can't get through the backward education their government has given them for the past eight or nine years.
You talk of "useless unskilled Boers" living in paradise.
Who do you think has fed you for decade upon decade in the past......cleaver educated black farmers? Another point you bring up is corruption. Show me a government where there is no corruption and I'll turn you into Cinderrellas pumpkin right now! The apartheid government had it's shortfalls and faults, but comparing them to the current bunch of scum that have been given the buggy reins, well boy, the is no comparison. The ANC are living up to their violent terrorist tactics daily. There is more corruption, nepotism and plain theft in government than there are ministers in Africa. They allow and condone the murder of farmers and their families, their farm workers who are deemed to be white lovers because they want to work. Law & order, the police, everyone who has anything to do with government is on the bandwagon or better still, the Blue Gravy Train......that is before some afirmative monkey switched the tracks at the wrong time! Hundreds of millions of rands go missing each year frauduently instead of going into education, policing, health care etc. The government invests in submarines and up to date warships totaling hundreds of billions of rands....for what, and the funny part is, afirmative uneducated sailors are going to be sailing them. Hopefully they won't stray too far from land otherwise they will be lost forever. The same can be said for the army, airforce and private aviation.....a bunch of arsehole darkies screaming racism and apartheid because they cannot pass their flying licences, because they are riddled with aids.....but of course, this is the legacy and effect of apartheid.
Telephones don't work for days, electricity and power failures are as common as a black face in the crowd and to boot, your pipe smoking arsehole of a president jets around in a 90 million rand Boeing
designed and built by white people.
I laugh at people like you Joseph, but I do feel sorry for you. Your arrogance, due to your inabilities shows up like white chalk on a blackboard. You all know who and what you are, you just can't handle the fact.
We are all being manipulated by the "elite" who run things, it shows up all over all the time. Your white bosses in the Northern Hemisphere will keep you on a string, dangling the carrot, only allowing you a bit at a time, they will keep you thinking you are in control through your puppet regime....but you will never be in control, ever....and you will never prosper without the white man, fact!

It fills me with profound joy and pride when it comes to my attention that our leader Mbeki has taken it upon himself to change stupid dutch names of soutafrican townships - giving them AFRICAN NAMES ..

Ha, ha, ha..

This, is, a kick in the teeth to those stupid dutch farmers who thought they could come to africa and rename african towns with stupid dutch names ..

ha, ha, ha..

who the hell did these boers think they are.?

Its also hillarious the way these stupid white south africans like "Crazy horse " are now coming up with a thousand different conspiracy theories about why Apatheid regime collapsed ..

ha, ha..

You know what my white south african brothers and sisters... the main reason why you guys fuccked up was because you ( and your white Rhodesian brothers and sisters )failed to observe the INEVITABLE forces of change ..and your sheer AROGANCE and shortsightedness resulted in you stupid motherfuckers not seeing further than your own noses ...

You are paying for the crimes of your fore fathers ...

ha, ha, ha.....

How white people could ever have thought that black africans would be forever happy in their position as as second class citizens in THEIR OWN COUNTRIES just goes to show how, without standing up and taking what is rightfully theirs, is as much an illustration of how shortsighted you were and still are...

So crazy horse : do you think a white englishman would tolerate being a second class citizen in his own country ?

Crazy horse , you are trying to "enlighten me" as to how widespread corruption is? Are you illiterate or what .. do you have a brain ? did you actually read context in which i said it...

ha, ha, ha...

Corruption is everywhere my dear white brother..where you get lots of people witha access to lots of money and resources you will get corruption - do you understand me , you crazy white bastard...This is HUMAN NATURE ..

The only reason why its more widespread in africa and the rest of the third world is cos lack of checks and ballances..In africa our leaders are corrupt because they can get away with it..

And yippe yeah.. every one knows de beers , openheim have control of some of africas resources ..oh instititions like world bank , IMF and common agricultural policy all oppressive western elements that conspire to keep africa in the state of economic servitude to the west ... but slowly some of those obstacles will be removed ..

As for the rest of the crap you were sproutting you need to EXPOSE yourself to the world you stupid boer bastard..ha, ha..Try to get out of your farm school and go to some of the top US schools .. you will see what i am talking about..

The ostacles are big and It may take along time but africa will regain its feet with or without you boers..

Accept your position in the new south africa ..

africa is for africans

Why is it that in this generation there are so many IGNORANT white south africans that use all these stupid out dated "conspiracy theories" as a means of explaining the collapse of Apatheid round their ass's ..

Your hypocracy of that argument is self evident ..think about it:On one hand some stupid boer idiot like "Crazy horse " will insinuate blacks use Apatheid as an excuse for the mismanagement of their countries ... whilst at they say that their was some sort of liberal white south african elite ... consisting of Vorster, Smith(yep) De klerk aswell as others who conspired to hand over power to the "ANC barbarians" There is not even a shred of evidence to support such frivolous claims ..

You only got ignorant white south africans coming out withs such crap when they started getting kicked off their farms ..ha, ha, ha...

Its only then that your IMAGINATIONS started running wild.with these conspiracy theorists..

The reason for the complete IMPLOSION of apatheid regime was that white southafricans were, and still to a large extent,stuck in the dark ages ...You guys couldn't recognise the winds of change and when you did it was too late .. and it bit you in the ass..

blacks use Apatheid as an excuse cos unlike your stupid conspracy theries,there is tangible evidence that apatheid produced social and political structures ensuring whites could treat blacks and second class citizens in their own countries .. This very inequality continues , to a large extent today ..

ANC have a long way to go .. but thank fully, they are making inroads in redressing the injustices of the bastard regimes of Vorser and co..

It will take time .. and lot of white south africans will get fuccked ..., but blacks will get a larger stake IN THEIR COUNTRY ..

joseph my stupid kaffir boy, it must be hard to know you are a dumb kaffir and have to live with it on a daily basis....Aaaaiiiiisssssh! Dis swaar om n' kaffir te wees!

You black bastards never even had a written language before the "Boers" came along, you never knew what a wheel was till you saw a white man for the first time, all you were capable of was grunting, killing each other and fucking dirty meide and your daughters and mothers, as still is the case today, with white women thrown in for good measure you filthy black bastard.

There are no conspiricy theories kaffir, the truth will remain the truth no matter what. Apartheid never collapsed, it was terminated by De Klerk and his "white kaffir" traitors. Just look at the state of South Africa since apartheid has been terminated and you black bastards have taken over.....nothing but filth, mayhem, rape, murder and anything uncivilised that can be thought up. I am not paying a price for anything my family did, what I have done, long ago, was leave that filthy shit hole to be amongst white civilised people and not have to live like a kaffir.....so kiss my ass nigger, I'm long gone from your slime ridden cesspool of anarchy and rape, long before my prediction of what has happened came to be. I laugh every morning when I wake up and see your cauldron of filth slipping a little further into the sludge of decay

So berg bobbejaan, you will never understand anything other than what that flea bitten velcro covered rock on your shoulders can absorb from the likes of the anc. Your country has been relegated to a third world "kak huis", you rely on America and Britain to stay alive, you cheer on terrorists and align yourselves with the scum of the world and you think because a bunch of white leftist liberal white shit heads turned that little half caste transkei boesman come kaffir mandela into an icon you darkies can do as you want? Well you bastards haven't even begun to suffer yet.....wait! Aids is killing you tennis ball heads faster than you can naai your meide, and even then it doesn't help because all your kids are born to die early from aids. So fuck you meid naaier, you are probably riddled with it yourself. You stupid black shits are the laughing stock of the world, you are the only Continent on the planet going into decline.....yipeee! As for education nigger.....I have an education that you will never attain if you lived to be a thousand years old or if you came back to life ten thousand times. I'll lay odds that you have no more than a grade four in "bantu" education and any other education you have was no doubt given to you by the white liberal leftists of the west for free, just like South Africa was given to you.....for free! You say I sprout crap about your filthy self made hovel of a country, tell me what progress has been made in South Africa really since you kaffirs took over? Why is unemployment above 50%, why are blacks more impoverished than ever before, why is murder, rape, corruption and crime in general worse than ever before now that you blacks are in control? Why is your police force and defence force in such a state of decay...riddled with aids? Why is there almost no government services like Health care, transport and why have you kaffirs reverted back to kaffir education you can't handle? South Africa is dying and so it should and will, along with all you backward black shits. We will one day take back Africa and I just pray the whites don't make another mistake second time around.....I hope they exterminate you vermin once and for all....totally!
Now, you arrogant ignorant stupid kaffir, go do what you do best.....fuck all!

crazy white arse hole you are cracking me up big style .Your bravery and intelligence are open for all to see. I bet when you see a black person in SA , you call them “kaffir “ in their face - that’s why you are still breathing ..I wish you would have the balls to say that in me face mate , cos i would knock the taste buds out of your mouth ..

.Stop quoting africaans..spiel , i dont know what the hell you are talking about, but i am sure those words are filled with kind well meaning sentiments , all i can say is same to you. . Africaans is dead , as dead as the decaying matter in between your ears fucking ears you stupid white bastard . The only bit of africaans i know is "oom Paul"

You and your brainless Indie media group friends talk about “ genocide “ like there is some sort of a fucking holocaust happening ..Why is it such a "genocide"? Is it because a few white farmers have been killed ? That makes it a genocide in that tiny little mind of yours? Listen your stupid white bastard : what about the greater number of black farmers and people that got killed in the past and continue to get killed ? Just cos a few white people have been hurt – you and your stupid indie media friends (Janni Allen) are walking around shooting your stupid mouths off advertising your racism and ignorance .

The world doesnot take your cause seriously you stupid white bastard .Other than a few disenfranchised idiots like yourself .

Everything is “decayed “ according to you. I wonder why if there is such decay there is still a large number of white SA – with resources to live any where in the world- continue to live in SA . I tell you why : cos there are still fantastic business opportunities in SA. But in any third world there is the rough and the smooth .

You say " look at the state of south africa since apthatheid has been removed " . A system that ensured that 3 million white bastard boers (who know nothing but farming) aquired 80%of the land - best and most fertile pieces ... whilst 48 million blacks are left with zip..A system that ensured black kids received the bare minimum in terms of education so they would be forever reliant on you bastards ?

You ask why blacks are complaiing about apatheid? so you think the inequalities created by such a regime can be eradicated in one term of office - you stupid white bastard..

Look, get your head outta your ass's.Get out of that tiny world you live in . Your anger will get you no where .other than making . Get yourself an education and a job and a few hobbies .Next time you see a blackman , dont shit yourself with fear and apprehension ..You can learn from everyone . Even a stupid white “ejit” like yourself !!!

And if you ever,.... EVER, in a million years think that there is gonna be another white leader that , then you are are far more stupid than i think your are . And trust me i think you are fuccking stupid .

Joseph, Joseph you silly little kaffir boy.....my my but you ignorance and anger really show up well when you try and communicate via the computer. In real life you would need ten other demented kaffirs, a tyre and a can of gasoline to knock my taste buds out, you coward! Slow down nigger, you can't do it all in two seconds. Try and upgrade your limited education, that will help you more than you realise in stringing sentences together correctly, spelling simple words and getting across what it is you are trying to waffle on about....... velcro top!

You are not cracking up "big style" as you like put it houtkop, you are beside yourself with anger at hearing the truth, just like most of you afirmative bobbejaans in South Africa are.... because deep down you know you are an illiterate useless piece of mule shit!
I also know you understand exactly what I am saying when I use Afrikaans words..... you just say you don't understand because once again you realise it's the truth. As we all know dumb ass, it's impossible to talk face to face via the internet and secondly, loud mouthed kaffirs, or "half naaitjies", whom I suspect you may be one of, could at best only knock the taste buds and teeth out of your wife, mother or childrens mouths....you worthless piece of shit!

Myself and people like me do not only talk about the silent genocide against whites by blacks currently taking place in South Africa, we also make it our business to inform people all across the world as to what is taking place in South Africa under the one party communist aligned state feigning democracy ....and we do it with hard facts, not horse shit like you spew forth so unintelligently. There never has been a "greater number of black farmers" in South Africa, whether it be during apartheid or under the communist anc rule..... blacks are not capable of farming on the scale of whites. For proof, just look North to the rest of Africa, one big shit hole desperate for white aid & handouts....look at Zimbabwe and your own cesspool called "the new south africa." No no tennis ball head.....black speciality is in rape, murder, child and infant rape, granny and mother rape, dog, goat sheep and chicken fucking and of course their best prize is catching some poor white woman or child and raping them till they are dead or traumatised beyond help.
You call me a liar, but the facts and proof are available for all to see....if they have the balls to do so!

You say a few white people have been hurt.....mama mia, you are more bush kaffir than trained kaffir for sure! Since the communist anc have been entrenched in power around 2000 white farmers and their families have been shot, cut up, burned, mutilated and raped by heavily armed, vile inhuman black mongrels and you talk of a "few" being harmed! As I said before...."Bliksem, dis swaar om n' kaffir te' wees!" How about the fact that since 1994, there have been more than 250,000 murders commited in South Africa by you black bastards, there are over 60,000 child rapes every year by you scum, many other rapes are commited against you own mothers, grand mothers and other family members as I have already stated..... and kaffir boy, this is not a thumsuck, I read the news papers from South Africa so you cannot dispute the fact, no matter how hard you try. You are one of the many millions of blacks with your way and style of thinking who have destroyrd South Africa. You cannot be educated in a million years, even though you are convinced you are.

You would be surprised at how many people in the world do take us whites seriously...you would probably be shocked, if that's possible at all! When the white liberal leftist and communists gave you blacks South Africa to run, they left you wide open for the rest of the world to see just what a bunch of incompitent useless black and brown arsehole you really are.... and it's those same leftists and communists that are trying so desperately to hide the truth from the world along with that little pipe smoking chimp in a suite and his jiving pal madiba. The media are your true saviours arsehole, they need to keep the eyes of the world off South Africa right now and they are doing just that!

There are many, many whites left in South Africa who would dearly love to be able to leave, but they can't because of finances. Have you forgotten that South African currency is not woth the paper it's printed on abroad anymore, not since you lot took the reins anyway and can you guess who is to blame for that bobbejaan? Naa, Forget it! It would be stupid of me and time wasted to think you would ever be able to cope with that truth! Immigrating to first world countries legaly costs big money and many whites are not in the position to do so. Of course there are the very rich like the Openhiemers and their so called "upper class" whom I'm sure you are refering too. Yes, they still show a pressence in South Africa and are milking you all the way to the bank....but do you actually believe they "live" in South Africa? Get a life poephol, they spend time in South Africa to watch over their interests, but they do not permanently live in South Africa.....they prabably have dual nationality anyway. You need to seriously employ a white educated dude to do your thinking for you in a personal capacity joe (we all know they already do that in the work place), because you are as funny as mandela doing his madiba jive in No 10 with tony. If you can read properly, I strongly suggest you start reading things that will collapse that vacuume inside your houtkop and start growing some matter of substance. There is rough and smooth in any society joe, even in the most advanced first world countries in the world....South Africa, the rest of Africa and third world are not unique to the rough and smooth aspects of life. This is a black thing.....if you can't hack it, you need an excuse, if you fail, you need to have someone or something to blame. Blacks need to make a start at being part of the world by first learning to take responsibility for their actions and self respect, education cannot be attained under the current black pshyci. You people, no matter where in the world you live, have the same outlook and perspective on everything to see, hear, touch, smell, taste, and attempt to do. Your world is black versus white, but as long as you are taking from whitey, he's ok, but when you have to earn something or do something hard for yourself, you all whinge and whine .....and of course call upon your God....racism, colonialism and apartheid to survive. How come you can never say, "I can't do this particular job because I don't have the education experience or basic ability to do it," Why do you always demand the job with your crooked government's afirmative backing, then when all hell breaks loose, the shit hits the fan and you fail, you cry, "this is the legacy of apartheid, I was disenfranchised, I was not educated (because mandela called for revolution before education and told you to burn down your schools), it's because I'm black....woe is me, poor little ol me...racisim!"

Why has every farm that was previously white owned, then black owned, failed? Don't mention drought (or the above same old woe is us scenario), because drought has been a problem in Southern Africa for thousands of years, not only since the anc were handed the country! It's because you kaffirs cannot be productive, your genetic make-up won't allow for it! Blacks no longer complain about apartheid as it is now in reverse and used as a weapon against whites, they use the old apartheid structure as a crutch, a way of explaining away their uselessness and anger, it's their excuse to the world for their savagery toward all people, including their own kind. Did you watch the video clip from a poster above?
Let me remind you and others just what blacks are capable of and do every day in South Africa.

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1139216484/Democracy in Action

Now joeseph old coon....please don't say this is the legacy of apartheid because this is no such thing, this is black mentality at it's best....and this is childs play compared to some of the attrocities commited by you blacks against other people and animals.
Joseph, you are a star! You and your kind are just the people we want on the internet, you show the world just what and who you really are. You have the intellect of a monkey, the ability of a slug, the brain capacity of a flea and the intent of a demented pshyco. You cannot and will never be able to compete with me flat nose, not in any scenario...ever!
I now await your angry useless unintelligent reply as to why you can't read properly or communicate coherently....same shit, different day!
Rot in the decay you have created you ignorant arrogant black bastards, you will never be rich, you will never be happy and you will never succeed as a race, you are destined to be what you have always been because of your inability to evolve.....slaves!

Who told you there were no black farmers before Apatheid , you white bastard? Ha, ha, ha..Was it your ignorant dutch father or grand father who filled your tiny mind with hate ? Please , please, let me clarify : farming wasn’t – as you seem to imply - a concept introduced introduced by you boer bastards . Hundred and hundreds of years ago the Mfengu people had strong , highly efficient farming communities . Not to mention Xhosas in the north . These were highly efficient systems ( for the times) being run by blacks way before Apatheid you stupid white cunt .. And their success was due to their guarantee of free market and private property. This was short lived of course - as a black independent farming community didn’t fit in with the aspirations of british and indeed boer colonism . You white cunts wanted white owned, black worked farms didn’t you? And you made sure your wishes were facilitated through the Location Acts of the mid 1800s LIMITING the rights of inedependent black farmers forcing them to work in white farms and mines .. In the late 1800 that bastard Cecil Rhodes limited the land black farmers could own to 11 acres! Then you dutch bastards went further in ’48 under Apatheid homeland schemes .. effectively making it impossible for blacks to have quality land to work. With your level of ignorance it doesn’t surprise me that you think there are absolutely no black commercial farmers at the present time . The numbers are small, largely cos you white bastards are unwilling to sell land ( most illegally appropriated ) at agreeable prices . But the numbers will increase. Are you aware of the amount of money some of these mid size or large Commercial Farmers make on a yearly basis ? Do your research you stupid idiot . Some of you white bastards have grand fathers who were English enabling they stay easier access to Britain and EU. The white south Africans don’t want to go cos the tax burden is far less than any European thus more conducive to growth . Its still very, very good to have a profitable business in SA.Its called strategy . I think what hurts you white south African idiots more is the steady growth of black middle and upper-class in South Africa . Ha, ha, ha..Its a killer for you guys I know. Those numbers will increase . It is regrettable that since 1990s 200,000 whites have died , but how many blacks civilians have died during that time ? As for your assertion that crime is a black thing ,… well that the type of statement I would come to expect from a narrow minded dutch idiot like yourself Ha, ha, ha, ha! Welcome to Africa ! The protectionist blanket(for whites) of Apatheid is gone and gone forever. Welcome , Welcome to Africa!! Where have you been in your life ? You ask your friends who live in cities like London,Manchester ,NewYork to give you insights as to the crime rates of those cities . Trust me its not yet as bad as SA but the rates (in some of these cities) are increasing alarmingly. Anyway my advice to you and your Indie media clowns is to keep dreaming about your white home land in SA . Oh yes, mate Oh yes… Maybe you will get that and maybe some of those elephants you see in the games parks in SA will grow wings and fly ..

I am glad Namibia and SA are learning from the mistakes of Zimbabwe . The key is empahasis on increased investment TRAINING black africans in modern commercial training techniques/skills.

We are learning from the mistakes of our fore fathers .

Aaahhhh! The above post was in the exact format and style of joseph the kaffir boy I was expecting. Shame you poor tennis ball head, you cannot get around the fact I can manipulate your reply and your anger all at once in one prediction.....I said I was waiting for your unintelligent reply, and I got one!

Joe, you poor arrogant ignorant nigger/kaffir.....you have no knowlege of the real history of Southern Africa or it's people, you only know what the anc has managed to squeese into that velcro covered pip with it's attempt to rewrite South African history. You kaffirs can't farm shit now, let alone farm crops a hundred years ago. You black bastards are born theives and leaches, you are takers in all aspects. If these so called black farmers existed one...two hundred years ago, how come you niggers today are so backward. All other races have moved forwards over time, it's called evolution tennis ball head, something you will never understand...LOL! Blacks running a free market and having private property....holy shit, you really are a demented Orangutang, fuuuuuuuck!

What do you know about paying taxes you stupid dirty bush kaffir, or strategy for that matter? All you know is meid naai, kaffir beer, and take what I want by force...which includes sex with whatever is on hand, be it a meid, a goat, your mother, your sister, your brother, a chicken, cat, sheep or a dog, that is as far as your strategy goes...... on how to expose the hole for your aids infested dick.

There are no upper or middle class kaffirs in South Africa....just kaffirs, mostly just like yourself with shit for brains...check out that pekki mbekki. Don't even try and talk shit to me about London or New York doos, I have lived in both cities and have more money in both places than you have had a square meal since the day you were born berg bobbejaan!
Don't bother welcoming me to South Africa flat nose, I wouldn't set foot in that nigger run shit hole for a laugh. You actually think you are impressing folks on this board with your bullshit about how great South Africa is....but you are failing oxygen thief, people with brains know better. How did you like the video clip of your fellow monkeys burning and murdering that black woman? I suppose you take it with a pinch of salt as that was your main hobby at weekends you fuckwit! Just goes to show what happens when you show a kaffir what matches are for and then take 25 yrs to teach him that gasoline is not for drinking and is flamable. Where is your advanced kaffir culture pekki, give me some proof of your black past history....and don't point me to a pile of stones in Zimbabwe built by Arabs as a way station dragging you black shits off to be slaves. You have no culture you stupid black arsehole, all you have is the straws you grasp at and what you have taken from white culture by blatant rape and murder. Crime is a black thing you miserable wanker, it's your greatest hobby in fact. I'm actually getting tired of arguing with you because I realise that the vacuume of space is endless in your houtkop. You are a useless, dumb, moronic, black aids infested murdering swine, and I just cannot be bothered exchanging worthless text with you. You are nothing, will allways be nothing no matter what you do, where you go. You will remain a taker, a fool who will for ever more think he is educated, when in fact, you are and will forever remain......... a kaffir....KAFFIR BOY!

Yes crazy horse it doesn't suprise me that you have to resort to play ground play ground rubbish because deep down inside you know your argument has as much substance as a lump of excrement !

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . You have no case to answer that is why you are tired of debating with me you brainless south african bitch . So Deidre Fields what ever your name is ...Before you start popping your mouth off about the lack of growth in SA economy; what you should do is take your cold white ass to SA and see for yourself,SA GDP figures have shown a steady incease for the past six years !!

You prolly dont even know what GDP means you brainless boer bitch ...just like you "donna nae "what genocide means ..ha, ha.. You really do crack me up big time .

Anyway, Deidre fields keep dreaming about having your own self governing white only country in South Africa.You keep dreaming sweety .Dream dream, dream your ass off girl!!

Noone can take your dreams away girl.

It's difficult to debate with an ignorant kaffir who cannot spell "probably" but talks of GDP like it knows what it is talking about! You are still an animal although you walk upright, but that doesn't make you human.....you still have another million or two years to go oxygen thief. Once evolution has taken the hair out from dangling inside your head and the roots from the top of your head and placed them correctly in the bog that is your brain, then perhaps you will have some clear insight as to what you really are at this point in time.......a worthless, arrogant, ignorant, demented houtkop with your tube like lips firmly suckered onto your anus for sustainment. You kaffirs should take the anc (african national circus) on the road as a show. You will not make any money, but the white folks will sure have a good time watching you baboon like tennis ball heads fornicating and eating one another before setting one another on fire with sow winnies necklace.
You can take the kaffir out the bush, but you can never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever take the bush out the kaffir! Totsiens moerskont!

NOT LONG NOW WHITE BASTARDS !!

YOU ALL SHALL DIE !!!!

SEIN FEIN , PALESTINE MILITIAS' AND MANY MORE HAVE SHOWN THAT VIOLENCE WORKS !!!!!

WE WILL NOT STOP UNTILL YOU WHITEYS HAVE GONE

HATE BREEDS HATE

AND YOU WHITE BASTARDS WILL PAY !!!

EVEN BEFORE MANDELLA DIES YOU BASTARDS WILL BE GONE !!!!!

Oh Christ, another black racist kaffir murdering shit......tupakk out to kill whitey! I'm hoping more and more people are reading this board so they can see why we had apartheid in South Africa. You dirty black bastards had to first be given the country by a white traitor before you could begin committing genocide against us. The only thing I have against the Boers, is that they should have killed all you black bastards when they had the chance, but now they must fight! You cowardly black filth will never have the upper hand, you are way too stupid! When the war starts in South Africa I'm coming back to help kill you fuckers once & for all. Those of you shits left will have to die from aids, syphilis, and the necklace. You are a race of barbaric filthy black vermin that deserve all the hardship you get, and get it you will you mindless kaffir! Go hump a meid and stop talking shit here velcro top.....he, he, he, he, he, he........

killing whites??????????? when? how? i'm there! let's drive these sub-human shits into the sea, where they came from.

dlamini.....another backward bumbling idiotic dirty tennis ball head kaffir! You can't drive a kaffir taxi nigger, how you going to drive a handfull of whites into the sea? The only sub-human shits in Africa are you black bastards....hell, you screw dogs, cats, goats, sheep, fowls, meide, you burn one another to death...as we have all seen on the video clip, and even eat one another. You cut people up for muti while they are still alive and you have the cheek to call us whites sub-human! You show your true colors all the time houtie...arsehole black! That shit inside your wooden vessel is a swirling vat of snake excretement mixed with pig vomit.....velcro top!

YOU WHITES WILL PAY IN BLOOD FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE .

YOU CAN GIVE IT BUT YOU CANT TAKE IT .

FROM NOW ON IT WILL BE YOU TAKING IT.

MORE WHITE MANS BLOOD WILL FLOW .

DEATH TO EUGENE TERRABLANCE

DEATH TO ALL THOSE MEMBERS OF AWB.

WE WILL PICK YOU WHITE CUNTS OFF ONE BY ONE

We all know you are eager to commit murder against the white population you filthy black mongrel. Now perhaps the rest of the world will realise why we had to suppress you scum bag barbarians murdering cannibals. Wherever you black shits go you cause trouble, you should all be exterminated like the vermin you are.

@ CRAZY HORSE AND TUPPAK

BOTH OF U ARE NOT HELPING THE SITUATION. WRONG IS WRONG WETHER COMMITTED AGAINST A WHITE PERSON OR A BLACK PERSON. GOD CREATED ONLY ONE RACE AND THAT IS THE HUMAN RACE. I HOPE U GUYS WILL ONE DAY FORGIVE EACH OTHER AND SEE LIFE IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT. BOTH YOUR COMMENTE ARE HEART WRENCHING.

I live in the UK and I am white. I found this website by accident and the language of hatred and racism from both white and black is heartbreaking. What experience has taught me is this. Those who hate will never know peace and those who are racist will never know the good in the white OR black race they want to erase from the Earth. There was a man called Martin Luther King who spoke about his dream. Someone killed him for that dream but the dream lives on! Dr King said: "When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" You can read the full text of Dr King's speech here: http://www.mecca.org/~crights/dream.html.

If we live a life of hatred, spite and other sins, we forget to notice the good things. To all of you who are consumed by hatred and spite I will say this. There is bad and good in all races, but if you tar and feather every one of us with the same brush, you will never know peace within yourself. All you will ever know is hatred spite and other sins and God knows, there's enough pain and suffering in the world without creating even more. It is just as easy to love as it is to hate; the difference is that one of them makes you feel good about yourself. I hope you choose the right one.

Thank you for your views James Anthony! If you are of the opinion that language on this board between posters is heartbreaking, then you should travel to South Africa and witness first hand the treatment by blacks against whites and their fellow blacks.....that will shatter your heart in an instant, not to mention the state of a once first world country now run into the gutter by scum and vermin walking upright. Here is what decent South Africans have to put up with..... http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1139216489/Demacracyinaction this will perhaps make you angry enough to use harsh language against the likes of tuppak and others who are openly condoning and probably slaughtering fellow South Africans as we speak.

There was a man named Michael King, who's father, a black American preacher know only as "Daddy King", decided to take the name Martin Luther King and told his congregation that he should from that time onward be known as "Martin Luther King" and that his son should be known as Martin Luther King Jr. Michael King and his father never ever legally changed their names and "Martin Luther King Jr" certainly died with his birth name of Michael King.
I don't know if you are aware that Michael King was a fraud! An acedemic commitee found that over half his work was plagiarized from another author who had done research on a subject similar to King' during his doctoral degree at Boston University, but the commitee would not revoke his (King's) doctrine as they thought it would serve no purpose as King was by then dead. Another discovery was that King's so called famous "I Have a Dream" speech was also not his own. He stole it from a sermon by Archibald Carey, a popular black preacher of the fifties.
Michael King was in fact a communist under FBI surveillance until he died. He was tied to communist organisations across America and accepted money from those organisations to fund his movements. During the 1960's, a federal (stooge) judge ruled that FBI files on King's links to communism remain top secret until 2027. In 1983 Senator Jesse Helms appealed to the Supreme Court to release the files so the current bill in the Senate to create the Martin Luther King Federal Holiday could be abolished......he was denied!

The Rev. Ralph Abernathy, one of King's closest friends wrote a book in 1989 in which he talked about King's obsession with white whores. Michael King would use church donated money to fund drunken orgies hiring white prostitutes during drunken parties, some of whom he took pleasure in beating black & blue. This was also in FBI reports.

This black American communist is of the same ilk as one black African communist and hero of the blinkered liberal leftist west....nelson mandela, who with his communist aligned anc thugs have taken South Africa to the brink of hell.
Her are two black communist stooges with the same agenda and hatred toward whites.....and there is no shortage of like minded scum either! Louis Farrakahn, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, F.W. De kler are first come to mind....... the list is endless! Communism has many faces and comes in all colors. Their only similarity is their agenda, to control the world masses through any means they need to use.
Just look at what is happening in your own country....Britain. The people are under the iron fist of a socialist government who virtually control their bowel movements whilst the populace think they are living in a great democracy. They have long ago been disarmed and brainwashed. The government control how you bring up your kids, want to discriminate against obese people in the national health system, you may not defend yourself against intruders in your home and if you do, you stand a good chance of prosecution whilst the criminal get's a knuckel wrapping and perhaps a short stint in a holiday camp at the expense of the innocent tax payer. Radical Islamic youths and known terrorists are allowed to openly go on T.V. telling how Islam will overthrow the government in the future. Britain has been brainwashed so badly that anyone with views not aligned with the lefties are hauled into court and called nazis. Freedom of speech is only accepted if you blow the correct trumpet, any other tune will land you in boiling water. We may all be God's children, but we are under the control of liars, thieves and crooks who live the high life while the majority of people battle just to make ends meet in the lie called democracy........what a big farce!

Just reading these posts and i feel like laughing and crying all at the same time .

WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO

This place gives me the creeps.Honestly . Self righteous boers pandering for a return of Apatheid . Others talking about killing everything that moves .Yuk

Lots of these posts sends chills down my spine . Especially from that "igit" poster crazy horse. I know

disgraceful

The truth always is shocking and hard to believe mikey.....always! I suggest you either laugh or cry, but doing both shows your lack of understanding about Africa. No doubt you are another foreign fool who thinks he knows it all,another "do gooder leftie."

I am laughing because of the futility of your argument/s . I know people (even the majority ) will always hold the backward racist views you and others espouse, but why dont you stop and check how stupid and unworkable your arguments are ?You sound like one of those who left africa many, many years . It is YOU that doesn't understand africa .

Not saying i know everything mate . From what i am reading you dont know what the hell you are talking about mate . You are arguments revolve around the same issues and are as predicatable as anything .

I'd like to thank "Crazy Horse" for his views on Britain but for the record, it is no more my country than South Africa is. I am Irish. But I did live in Natal, The Transvaal and The Cape in the 70s and 80s.

I had good friends, both white and black, and some were Afrikaans. Not all Afrikaners I met felt the all consuming hatred you do, and not all Black Africans did either. Even when they did, I tried to understand it, not condemn it. (I thought that was what the Peace and Reconciliation hearings had been about but I guess some people can't get past their own prejudices.)

It takes a peculiar kind of logic to insist on consideration when you are not prepared to extend to everyone you are demanding it from. The irony is you probably think of yourself as a considerate person (to your own); but consideration is a two-way street; if you want to enjoy it you have to be prepared to extend the same to others. If you don't, you shouldn't be surprised if your spite backfires and makes you a victim at times. In general, people respond better to consideration more than they do to threats and intimidation and fear motivation only works in short bursts.

What history teaches us is that Mankind learns nothing from it and we just go on making the same old mistakes time after time. You can't spend decades, or centuries, oppressing a whole race of people and not expect them to resent it; no more than you can stand in front of a lion, poke a stick in its eye, and not expect it to attack. The fundemental frailty of the human species is that we are subjective; the least pain in our little finger affects us more than the collective suffering of all Mankind.

Someone once said: "Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live". If you lose your humanity you lose everything and the spooky bit is this; no matter how much you hate another man for his colour, you will end up sharing something together whether you want to or not. That something is death because death does not make exceptions based on race or colour and nobody gets out of this Life alive; we all get born and we all get dead.

So tell me, if you end up sharing death with those you hate so much, how come it is so impossible to share life? The two are intricably linked; life and death.

All this energy that is wasted on hatred and segregation is worth nothing in the end and all you will have achieved is just what it is worth. Nothing. Yet you will continue because it is not your fault. You are as much a product of the same brainwashing and indoctrination you accuse the British of, and the same freedom of speech you ridicule, is being enjoyed by you right now (otherwise you would not be able to write what you write with impunity).

Yes, there are many injustices and social inequalities in all countries, but no one person can change the world and it is obvious we cannot change other people's attitudes. In the end, we can only make a difference to our own environment and to the people to whom we are immediately bound, by family, love, or friendship. What we teach our young ones has an indelible influence on their attitudes throughout life and most of our choices as adults, are dicated by our early influences. Had you been raised in another country you might feel differently but not even God can change the accident of birth. What some of us manage to do is change how we interact with other people no matter how much segregation or religious and racial hatred we grew up with.

Nothing will ever come right within ourselves, until we make the first move to change; and I acknowledge that nothing is ever as easy as just saying so; the first step is always the hardest. Some people never take it, so they live a life of quiet desperation trying to change the world to suit their own selves. The truth and the tragedy is that the world is bigger than any one of us. You either accept that huge fact and get on with it or you ignore it and live a life never knowing inner peace; and never knowing what might have been, had you just reached out instead of building walls around your own intolerance.

Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these; "what might have been".

So Mickey....you are laughing because you can't do anything else, you know nothing of substance about South Africa and ten to one says you have never set foot in the country, so in reality it's you who haven't a rat's arse clue as to what is really happening down there.
What is stupid about the fact that since 1994, 250,000 murders have been commited in South Africa...I suppose you will tell me I have no Idea what I am talking about again? How about the fact that the unemployment has topped 50%, children, babies, infants, mothers, grandmothers and daughters are raped to the tune of 60,000 per year by these black savage barbarians.
Yes mickey....I left Africa when I knew the blacks were going to take over the country and drag it into the filthy cesspool it has since become and thank God I did. My argument is about the same thing.....the degradation and silent genocide against whites by those black bastards while useless socialist governments like yours sit back and bullshit the world all is rosey in South Africa. The fact of the matter is that the black government and it's black rabble have taken the entire country into the pit of hell. Since you have such a big mouth, why don't you go live there, or just go on holiday.....just make sure your will is in order pom! I know more about Africa and black Africans than you will ever know about the welfare state you live in. You are another predictable pommie with shit for brains.

Nobody should be suprised you white folks are getting slaughtered in Southern Africa on the whole.

The priority for blacks should be to improve their economic situation but nobody can blame them for expressing their anger toward the whites for all those years of killings and repression- which was carried out with white support.

The blacks are now as well armed as the whites and if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Africa for Africans.

Sniper.....another nigger out to commit murder, mayhem, rape and anarchy! Go to Europe kaffir where you will be welcomed with open arms and can live for free off the welfare state.

On Tuesday March 28, "Sniper" wrote:
> Africa for Africans.

I was just wondering who stands up and has the courage to say "enough is enough, no more killing"? We live in a world of terror, war, racial and religious bigotry, and most people on this list seem to think that this is actually okay.

And I'm curious about "Africa for Africans" comment. Would you also say England for the English, America for the Americans, or Ireland for the Irish? What about all the ethnic minorities who live freely in these countries and who live peaceful and fulfilling lives amongst people of all races and religions? Should all countries deport everyone whose ancestors were not born there or who don't fit neatly into their own preconceived notions of what constitutes an Englishman, American or Irishman?

Then there's the question of billions of dollars of foreign aid. Does your philosophy of "Africa for the Africans" mean you will have the integrity not to accept overseas aid because you have decided you do not want to be part of the international community that believes in freedom and justice for all? What will you teach your children? That they should not go out into the world and treat all people as equal?

No-one on his deathbed every says, "I wish I had spent more time hating".

No one man can change the world, but a black African friend of mine once told me: "you can only change the world one mind at a time". I believed him then and I believe him now.

What happens between you and me and his nibs 'Crazy Horse' is of no real consequence to the world. The sun will still rise and set tomorrow with or without our help, and the big old world will keep on turning. I figure you can be part of the whole or part of the hole; one of them is fulfilling, the other is just a cold dark place.

Yes.... you are right James...who in the west has the courage to stand up and admit that South Africa under the communist anc regime has taken the country into anarchy and silent genocide with a race war looming that will make Rwanda look like sunday school picnic? Yes we do live in a world filled with hatred, racism, and filth. I like it no more than you or anybody, but should we stand around and be slaughtered just because it seems ok for the west to be ignorant of the fact's, fed utter crap by leftist controlled media who brain washed people and told them the most horrendous crap for fourty years past about us, then lie down and die at the hands of these barbaric black bastards just because a bunch of arseholes say so?
What ethnic minorities live in which countries peacefully side by side.......Britain, America, Australia?
Careful how you answer, because I have lived in three "first world countries" for many years....LOL!
Nothing has happened between you me or anyone else on this board, this is a disscussion about what is happening in South Africa right now. Do you know the truth first hand, do you know what is really happening there right now, when last were you there..... or are you relying on the liberal leftist liars to feed you more horse shit by the bucket full to keep them and their agenda alive? I have noticed that posters like to condemn us "white racists" on this board, but find it hard to condemn black barbaric murderers, rapists, child abusers and general scum. Most British people across the board I speak to say they are pissed off with what is happening in their own country racially, but what are they prepared to do about it? Nothing.... that would be politically incorrect would it not....a terrible thing for the real inventors of apartheid in Africa and concentration camps for the world wars to come in the past twentieth century! I know more about real British history in Southern Africa than many people would like to or want to know!

James Anthony

You know what, I read your first post on Bob Dylan and I thought it was quite inspirational ; but then I read the other post… .

I don’t know which side of the political /sectarian divide you are in (if at all you bother yourself with those issues )….but If you are (what I term ) a REAL Irishman (nationalist /catholic) you would have a good idea what people mean when they say “Africa is for Africans “ this is not rocket science .

After all your country (Ireland or Northern Ireland,) a former brit colony has gone through some of the same trials and tribulations in achieving or trying to achieve political independence from Britain as well staking their claim on the world stage .

And if you are “Irish/Irish/catholic” as opposed to “British/Irish Protestant” you would have a good idea of what oppression is and was is .

If there was no prevailing school of thought in Irish history proclaiming “ Ireland is for Irish “ men like Mike Collins, Eamon Devallero and co would not have made their mark in history . I know nationalism can come in various guises - some unionists that claim to be nationalists – but you should understand where people are coming from .

I don’t know what the other bloke means , but If I use the term “Africa is for Africans “ I believe Africans have the right to be represented in economically and politically in their own country . I don’t see it as a racist . And if I am prejudice I am certainly no where near as racist/bigoted as that brainless idiot crazy horse is .

( Crazy horse :Its all about levels crazy horse my dear .. your ignorance knows no bounds .Your beyond help !)

James Anthony - If Aid was not HUGE business to the west and western agencies themselves - the west would have pulled out long time ago . Whether you are talking Iraq or Africa - the west have always and will continue to make a financial killing in the aids business .

There are two sides for every coin.

I believe in the one mind at a time anology . But there are some minds who are so numb and void of reality that it is easier (like crazy horse) it is easier to put your head through a brick wall than change them.

If you talk about South Africa it would be nice if you could take yourself there once in a while . Judge with your own eyes . When i read your drivel it is impossible for me figure you out;you are still as predicable as anything in the way you select your own issues to support your own narrow minded racist agenda .

Such is your level of ignorance there is not much one can do about you situation . Its best for people to let you live in your own "cookoo world ". Every black man is a communist kaffir and every white supporter of kaffir too . No my friend, you are the one with shite for brains .

I am glad people like you are leaving south africa .

Yes crazy horse,

Who the hell got it into that tiny little bigoted mind of yours that apatheid was a british creation ? Is this a new tactic taught by the "new AWB" to shift the blame of the past evils to others . So now it is the brits who created apatheid , eh?

Is apatheid a english word or a dutch word? please clarify because you are confusing me..Ha, ha, ha.. You are a funny and sick person . You probably were not even around at the time you know nothing about apatheid .

I have no beef with the british and i dont think you should either . The only diference between the boers and brits was the boers came to SA a couple of hundred years earlier .... Both Boers and brits had the same aims in mind : to ruthlessy exploit the land and resources of africa for their own ends and they did so with impunity .

The only reason why you Boers are upset with the brits is because the Boers couldn't dominate the brits like you could the zulus and other indigenous tribes of africa .. They were just two colonial powers fighting over the spolis of africa

The boers didn't like it when the brits started dictating terms and conditions ..so the boers began the treks ... You know nothing about the history of SA.

Mickey Mouse mike......do you think that when South Africa was a part of the British Empire run by Smuts, the blacks were allowed to live amongst the whites....no! Don't talk crap to me about apartheid you wanker, I was around when you were still a spunk bubble and a far away wet dream. The raw fact of the matter is that under black rule, South Africa has been taken to the depths of hell by those black marxist bastards and there's nothing you or anybody else can do about it. You would probably love to be able to Immigrate out of there, but you can't! I know all about you proud white South Africans who "stayed to make a difference"....ha, ha, ha! The blacks hate you for being white and given half the chance they will murder you and all your family at the drop of a hat. I have been back to that cesspit for personel reasons.....and each time can't wait to piss off again. My guess is you are one of those leftie whites who couldn't wait to vote yes in the referendum, couldn't wait for the blacks to rule thinking South Africa would prosper and thrive. Now the facts are out, the country is just another black African shit hole where violence, rape, chaos and the coming anarchy reign. So you are glad people like me are getting out of South Africa......so am I, big time!
Wonder why those bastards the Oppenhiemers quickly shifted all their main assets to London after the darkies took over along with S.A. Breweries and other major corporations. Sure they still have millions invested in S.A. but it is nothing to them really. Doctors, nurses, trades and other proffesional people have and are leaving in their droves, but I guess you are pleased to see them go.....whilst in reality you are wailing to yourself that you can't be one of them, so you must suck up to the blacks who are laughing at you just waiting for the opportunity to cut your throat.....doos! If tupak had one tiny opportunity to kill you he would. He want's Africa for Africans and blacks make no bones about who they consider Africans......and you and your kind are certainly not part of Africa as they see it, you are white. You can shout all you like and try and act intelligent, I don't give a rats ass, the kaffir will kill you at the first opportunity and you deserve all you get. I'm so glad your kind are forced to stay where you belong, in Africa with the very black bastards you voted into power....live with the crap you helped create and take the black hatred when they get around to you without moaning. You are a spineless white prick who refuses to admit South Africa is a failure under black rule, you hate to be wrong, but you are! Good bye arsehole and enjoy your dirty depraved evil society you helped create. While you are hiding behind your electric fence and razor wire with your guard dogs barking their lives away, while you remain a daily probable statistic, while every female member of your family run the risk of being raped by black aids infested scum, while prices sky rocket and more and more cleaver white leave, check out some home truths about that vile government of yours....and please, have the balls to admit the truth when it is blatant.

Yep, south africa was a success under white rule wasn't it? a world paraiah. The rand going down the pan. murdering our fellow citizens to maintain law and order... what a success story.

Yes.....first world South Africa WAS a success story under white rule, unlike the ruination it has become under a black communist government voted into power by the rabble majority after being given the go ahead in a white only referendum. Don't forget the fact that South African blacks were the best off of all blacks in Africa. They were not starved to death, deprived of education and health care and they were never murdered out of hand by white civilians or police & security forces. Terrorists and their fellow conspirators, white and black were hounded, tracked down and either killed or imprisoned by the apartheid government, but don't try that one on that the general civillian black population were targeted and murdered by whites.
As for the state of the currency, don't blame that on apartheid either.....it was only since the darkies took over that the rand really took a downward spiral into oblivion. It will go the same as the rest of mickey mouse Africa, notably Zimbabwe........ as pekkie m'beki thinks the moon shines out of that baboon mugabe's arse. Stop blaming apartheid for the anc's failure as a government to maintain what was in place. Stop hiding your head in an Ostrich hole as to the real state of the country.....it is an aids infested shit pit with fourty million darkies who are hankering to cut your throat and rape your women dutchman, don't be so complacent! I'm wondering how come the rest of the world says nothing about the silent genocide committed against the American Indians and the Aussie Abbo's to name but a few instances. You are living in a closed world that you can never escape from, you are doomed to be exterminated by the blacks with the full exceptance of the left wing liberal commie scum hiding behind the United Nations. Do you really think the brainwashed white world give a shit about a few million whiteys in South Africa......think again?

The kaffirs are getting all the jobs now. Everything for these black bastards . We whites must unite and take our country back ..

I do not think you will get your country back for many years to come, if at all! Too much has been given away for that to happen. There are way too few whites in Southern Africa, they have no more effective army and police force and are living the "every man for himself" scenario just to stay alive and in work. The kaffirs are killing whites at will and nothing will prevent that, not even the west....that is if they believed what is happening in the first place. People have been so brain washed over decades about white run South Africa that it is hard to make them see the truth and the leftist socialist bastard media sees to that. Leave that shit hole if you possibly can and wait for aids, famine, war and the black barbaric culture to exterminate blacks themselves. The whole idea of the west was to take control from the whites in Southern Africa and hand it to the blacks, so don't think they will allow you to take back what they spent decades breaking down.....besides, if the whites took control again, things would start working again, law & order would return along with the death penalty and South Africa would once again be the power house of the Southern Hemisphere and Africa. Unfortunately that is not on the agenda of the New World Order and the few who are in control. The kaffirs and their mongrel communist inspired government are non the wiser, they actually think they run things down there.....just goes to show the level of their dipstick mentality, just like some white morons on this board.

Most of the wealthiest people are white, but most white people are not wealthy. Not by a longshot.

I think the white people should just go to another country. Blacks have a tendency to use past oppression as a reason to say that their perception is the only one that matters. Whites might have had the tendency to do so as well if the shoe was on the other foot. For example, I don't think Europeans felt the need to be kind to the Islamists or Mongolians who set out to conquer their people's lands in medieval and ancient time. The United States dropped the bomb on the Japanese to make them an example to the Soviets; If anyone wants to play with the big dogs there would be a price of admission. How can you blame Africans for wanting to be top dog in their own land? How can you say that it's ok for one and not the other?

It's fine for black Africans to be top dog in their own countries, but the sad fact is no matter how hard they try, they just can't hack it. Take black run Africa over the past four decades.....the only top dogs are the dogs in the oppresive corrupt and dictatorial governments, not the people. There are very few who make top dog and those that do, do so at a price. Africa and it's people are moving backwards, not forwards. Most everyday black people are just happy to have work and a plate of food for themselves and their families....they are not interested in being top dogs. Black run Africa will forever be on the take from the whites for aid, medicine, food, clean water, education etc, etc.....in fact to have any sort of stable infrastructue and law abiding society.

Crazy horse ,

I am tired of reading your rubbish . If you want to make a diference go back to SA .At least i am staying in South Africa fighting these Kaffirs !

I am not a fucking coward like you...running away and shooting your mouth off on the net . South africa is a white mans country . Blacks are completely inferior animals incapable of doing nothing but getting handouts from other countries . Its only a matter of time before white south africans (a prima facie moderate )will be on top and introduce policies to protect us whites .

My point is i could have run away like the fucking coward kaffir loving bastard you - are but i didn't . I will never leave my fathers home land .

The kaffirs are killing themselves at a far highter rate than they are killing us ! Its in their genes . Self hate is in their blood and it will destroy them .

JOdian ,

Interesting point you made about black peoples’ perceptions but I think you will find MOST people who have been oppressed ; irrespective of color believe, rightly or wrongly, that their perception is the one that counts . Is that really unique Isn’t that human nature ?

I mean look at some of the ignorant rants of neo nazi egit Crazy horse; he/she will have you believe that there was some sort of “genocide” against the whites …without even knowing what the hell “genocide” means .

I don’t know what color you are ,but if you are a person of color who lived in South Africa between ’48 and ‘94 maybe your perceptions would be like “their” perceptions .

Most people know that that though political apartheid is gone - the effects/residue ( economically and social) of apartheid are still very much in existence and its gonna take a hundred more years before those issues are completely addressed .

Mandella had his work cut out in ’94 its gonna take more than a decade to the crap put in place by those governments that dominated the south African political landscape from ’48 to 94 .

vassiy, you fuckwit....christ now there are two of you demented witless pricks spewing forth your "stayed to make a difference" crap about communist run South Africa. If you don't want to read anything I post....well don't, or are you too stupid to realise on the internet, unlike in your black run shit hole country, you have a freedom of choice?

I ran away from nothing cunt face, I left with all my money safely out the country (LOL) when I realised you whites were going to vote yes for those black bastards to be given the country, so fuck you nob head! You are the kaffir lover vass, not me, you and that other nob head mike who wish dearly that you were able to leave...but you can't.....can you? South Africa was a white man's country, but not any more. It's now a third world kaffir run country marxist dung heap and there's sweet fuck all you or any other white can do about it, after all it was whites just like you who gave the country over to them.....at least I had the courage to vote no in the referendum, it was your yes vote that decided my move away....and by God, am I glad I did move away! If you could manage to slink away, run away somewhere where they would have a twat like youself, you would be off like a wet fart. I left South Africa because of the black take over, not because I love niggers. Stay in your fathers homeland arsehole! The kaffirs are laughing at you all the way, they are silently killing and raping you whites like flies and what are you, or in fact, what can you do about it......sweet fuck all, nothing? Kaffirs kill one another like flies sure, but they breed like sewer rats as well, and they out number whites 50-60 to one. It will be a long, long time before whites will have a say down there. In the mean time, rave on!

You say you are staying and fighting the kaffirs......(LOL),well "el becko"...do tell us how this fight is progressing, where does it take place and when.... after the pub closes or during drinking hours? You are fighting shit! You probably don't even have a job you moron because as you yourself so plainly and rightly said...."the kaffirs are getting all the jobs now."
As for that other fuckwit called mike the mick.... well, that doos needs to get his oversized head out of mandela's arsehole before he starts trumpeting his insignificant views about genocide and apartheid. Perhaps he can give us some facts on exactly what genocide is? If you do know the principles of genocide nob head, you will see all the hallmarks are staring you in the face every day in your black run cesspool.
Now I suggest that before you fighting whites go to bed tonight, make sure all the steel exit doors are locked and secure, the electric razor wire is fired up with voltage, steel inter-connecting doors inside are secure, the brak is on form and If the government have still not taken away your firearm, see it's handy. Lock yourselves up in your white fortress' like dogs in a compound, watch the news and rant and rave at how you are going to take back your country, (shit, you don't even have a half baked opposition party in place), that's all the fighting you will get done at this stage. When the kaffirs finally decide to go on a massive killing spree, then you will have plenty time to fight for your lives. Untill then, keep your fighting where you do it best...in the pub with your mates after two double klippies & coke telling one another how the houts are going to kak. Whites in South Africa are no longer capable of uniting for a good shit, let alone to take back their country....hell it was them who gave it to the kaffirs in the first place!

The fact of the matter is that many more White people have been killed since the end of Apartheid than the combined death rate of those who died under Apartheid. Though of course Apartheid had many problems & should never have been implemented but neither should the artificial British colonial construct of South Africa been implemented as well.

Concerning the erroneous assertion that the White people "do not have the right to be there at all". Absolute nonsense & in complete contradiction to the historical record. The ancestors of the Boer & other Afrikaans communities arrived in Africa & germinated as distinct groups & nation long before -120 years in fact- meeting up with the Xhosas on the eastern Cape frontier.

Remember also that the Great Trek of the 1830s & 40s was partly due to the desire of the Boers there to escape the constant border wars on the eastern frontier with the Xhosas. The Voortrekkers purposely trekked around & away from the densest Bantu populations. The Voortrekkers eventually set up minimalist republics in which they were an absolute
demographic majority. It was not until the discovery of gold on the banks of the Vaal River & the subsequent establishment of the town of Johannesburg that a large number of Black people (mainly from Xhosasland
in the eastern Cape & Zululand in Natal in the British colonies to the south) came in significant numbers.

Therefore it is a myth to assert that the people who might be White do not have a right to their own land in Africa. The Boers at any rate are not even 100 % White so your erroneous reasoning is further demolished. The aboriginal people of South Africa are the Khoisan peoples -some of whom were absorbed into the nascent Boer nation- who are only located in the Northern Cape in modern times. The so called Coloured populations are significantly descended from Khoisan peoples.

Concerning the erroneous De Beers point. The De Beers company was bought by Cecil Rhodes: a British financier & later the Premier of the Cape as well as the main instigator of the devastating Anglo-Boer War which lead to a partial genocide of the Boer people through the use of the British created concentration camps in which 27 000 civilians died. Close to half of the total Boer children population died. The total Boer & Afrikaner people would have been about 7 million today instead of the 3 million due to this catastrophic & genocidal act.

To One Reader. While you make some valid points you fail to provide prospective. The indigenous Boers also suffered greatly under colonialism. The North Africans took White slaves long before the European colonial powers took African slaves. So all of your demagogic talk of "soaked hands" on White peoples' part is one sided & slanted to say the least.

Great post Johnathan Reid. I too believe that one day the various peoples within South Africa will work out a peaceful co-habitation -though it will probably mean an end to the colonial construct of South Africa & a reorganization of various sovereign states or a confederation.

Remember: a peaceful balance of power did in fact exist in Southern Africa between the White & Black races before the British came / invaded & forced everyone under a common administration from which they have still not extricated themselves from. Apartheid was the direct result of British
legal segregation & an unnatural means of maintaining an artificial unitary state. Had the macro State of South Africa not existed then Apartheid would never have followed. Remember: the Boers of Voortrekker descent fought two wars against the British in order to prevent the establishment
of the South African macro state. This is very important to remember since the Boers are often lumped in with their estranged Cape based Afrikaner cousins who passed the Grand Apartheid (a continuation & organization of British legal segregationist policies) laws. The fact is that many Boers
were not in favour of Apartheid (as they though it would hinder their farm production), but most of them were politically outmaneuvered by the numerically larger & politically significant Afrikaners of the Cape.

To Dread: First of all I implore you to not equate the oppressive & exploitative nature of the ruling class White colonial powers to the average ordinary impoverished White person. The White colonials were the oppressors of most of the White South African population as well.

Remember also that the Boers ARE INDIGENOUS to South Africa. Their ancestors did not come on behalf of a colonial power but as SERVANTS of the Dutch East India Company where they later escaped inland after a number of them were freed. The French Huguenots who escaped religious persecution in France & arrived in the Cape amalgamated
with the freed Dutch, Frisian & German VOC servants to form the basis of the Boer nation. Smaller number of Indian (slaves), Khois & Malay were absorbed into the Boer nation so attacking the Boers as " White oppressors" will simply not pass historical scrutiny as the Boers are not pure White & have also been oppressed by the very European colonial powers that you bemoan.

The people who have stolen the wealth of South Africa are European based & are for the most part not (with notable exceptions such as the Oppenheimers & those connected to the mine owning magnates) the indigenous White people of the region.

Most of the indigenous White people of the region are the descendents of the humble & pastoral Boers who were an impoverished people at least in contrast to the White colonial rulers.

Note to JA: Not all White people are liberated either.

To: America belongs to whites? by Nadir Husain.

The talk of what land belongs to which people is a pointless exercise. For example: the Boers can rightly claim the land where the Boer Republics were on due to the fact that most of the Black people came after the discovery of gold & the prior Conventions which the Boers signed with Britain as well as the international recognition. Conversely the Khoisan peoples can rightly claim all of sub-Saharan Africa as they were the original inhabitants before being displaces & annihilated by migrating Bantus from the north & west.

Considering the recent finding that Europeans had arrived & lived in North America long before the arrival of the Amerindians: the exclusive claim of North America by the Amerindians now appears short sighted in this light. Furthermore: the White people are not even native to Europe as they came from Asia & displaced & amalgamated with the original Old European inhabitants of whom only the Basques peoples remain as the purest from of the original / aboriginal European peoples. Interestingly the Ethiopians are part Old European / Semitic & Cushitic. One of the original mixed race people of the world.

To: The one who liberates. Wrong. The White people did not commit genocide against the Bantus. What you are referring to was the displacement & genocide of the Khosian peoples of the Western Cape which was done by the colonial governments but mainly through a small pox epidemic which they contracted from the Indian slaves (whom were
later assimilated into the Coloured & Boer peoples) the VOC imported.

White people do indeed belong in Africa. The Boer people developed in Southern Africa long before meeting -120 years- the first local Bantu group in 1775. There were no Bantu people west of the Kalihari desert barrier. Therefore your erroneous & ignorant assertion that White people do not belong in their own country is absolutely ludicrous & wrong. The Boers have a long & proud history in the region where they have been allied with Griquas (part Boer / Khoi & Tswana) & the Rolong (West Sotho) & Zulus in the past.

The Boer equivalent of George Washington: Andries Pretorius -whom Pretoria was named after- was in alliance with the Zulu King Mpande during & after the era of Natalia Republic. The Boers developed their own African based language / their own culture / their own flags & symbols & had their own internationally recognized republics.

Furthermore: your racist assertion that White people should be killed for refusing to leave their own land is shocking to say the least. There is no excuse for such Nazi behaviour in any shape or form. People are free to live where ever they want to & those who have a long history in a particular region can not be expected to just leave simply because of the colour of
their skin.

To: thompson. First of all you are confusing Afrikaners with Boers. The Afrikaners outnumbered the Boers & co-opted many of them after the British & Afrikaners defeated the Boers during the Anglo-Boer War. The British colonial system invented Apartheid while the Afrikaner nationalist
government simply expanded it. The Boers were a pastoral people who fought against the creation of the South African state. Furthermore: Apartheid has re-emerged in South Africa with Affirmative Action / BEE Laws & the Communal Land Rights Act.

Note: The homeland of the Boers is in Africa & as such they could never go back to Holland / France / Germany / Belgium /Scotland / Scandinavia or India: the various lands of their forebears. Remember: the Boers developed on African soil from various diverse nationalities. Most Westerners think that they only came from Holland, but the fact of the matter is that they are less than 40 % Dutch. The ancestors of the Boers came from France -23 %- / Germany -30 - 35 %- Belgium / Scotland / Scandinavia & India as well as other places. The Boers a homogenous mix of these ethnic & national origins so it would be impossible to designate a
place for them to "go back to". Furthermore: the Boers did not exist as a group in Europe so there is nothing for them to go back to. Just listen to the language the Boers speak. Their language is an African language -with peasant class European roots- (remember van Riebeeck despised their language & forced many of these servants to accompany him to the Cape) & is not found anywhere else in the whole world. The Boers are in fact indigenous Africans who just happened to have white (some tanned or darker) skin.

To Joseph: The Boers in fact used to speak many local African languages & many still do & are in close contact with other African cultures. Once again you are confusing the neo colonial Afrikaner (who is Cape based) with the Boer of Voortrekker descent.

Concerning you contention that a future autonomous Boer state is "a pipedream" -well not quite. The Boers have the right to self determination under international law & many have legal rights to the lands that they have historically owned. The Oranians (who are more Afrikaner then Boer) have
created their own currency & there is already an Afrikaans majority population in north Pretoria. Furthermore: the Boer prophet Nicolaas van Rensburg -who fought in the Anglo-Boer War without a weapon- foretold of a day when the Vierkleur (the flags of the two Boer Republics during the Anglo-Boer War) would be hoisted again over an independent Boer
republic after the death of a notable Black leader (likely Mandela) & an attempted genocide against the White population in general.

What is notable about van Rensburg is that he was right about a number of other prohesies that he made -to the point that a number of people in the current regime are nervous about their future -at least in the part of the state which was previously administered by the Boers.

Concerning your statement: Africa is for Africans. Well indeed, but what your fail to realize is that the Boers ARE Africans. As for your racist nonsense that the towns the Boers named were "Dutch" names. Not true. The town of Nelspruit were named after the Nel family of French Huguenot origin. Rouxville was named after another person -Roux- of
French Huguenot origin. There are numerous other examples.

Furthermore: the Boers built those towns in question so the renaming of them is a form of cultural genocide & just plain ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is that Crazy Horse is right about the fact that the ANC regime is a puppet for the true White masters based in Europe. The Apartheid regime was becoming too independent for the European based ruling elite -even backing their currency with gold which is a massive
no-no to them. Remember the ruling elite were able to get the American currency off of the gold standard when they introduced the Federal Reserve in 1913. The ruling elite did not want a continued self sufficient & independent South Africa & the Separate Development phase of the Apartheid policies were starting to dismantle the British Imperial social
structure which created the South African macro state. A macro state that the British wing of the elite worked hard to create & brought about after the deaths of 27 000 Boer civilians & 15 000 to 20 000 Black people in the various concentration camps.

To Mike: Apartheid was indeed a British creation. The Native Pass Law of the British Government compelled Black people to carry pass books & was passed in 1809. The were pass laws implemented by Cecil Rhodes of the Cape & the British controlled gold mines passed the first Apartheid measures which later became law in the Cape & Natal. All the Afrikaner
nationalist government did was to organize & expand the racial segregationist laws which were passed by the British. The British brought their Apartheid to other areas such as Canada & Australia as well.

The term Apartheid is based on the French term "a part" coupled with the Dutch suffix "heid" which means hood or ness. The reason why the term Apartheid was used to describe the policies was due to the fact that a group of Broederbond influenced Afrikaans speakers were advocating the expansion of the British created segregationist laws, but the fact of the matter is that the policies themselves were of British origin.

No. The Boers did not have as a primary aim at "exploiting the resources of Africa". All they wanted was to be left alone & to govern themselves. The fact that the Boers were a humble pastoral people of meager financial station speaks volumes that they were not exploiting the land. President Thomas Francois Burgers of the Transvaal Republic even tried to stop the excavation of the gold mines because he knew that it would spell the end of the independence of his people. So much for your theory of Boer exploitation. While their farming labour policies did indeed exploit the willingness of Black refugees (from the Difaqane) to work them -it was still nothing as compared to the British colonial exploitation of the region.

The Boers NEVER DOMINATED the Zulus. Absolute bullshit! The Zulus were still governing themselves in Zululand when the British conquered them in 1879. The Boers were even in an alliance with the Zulus for some time & exchanged Rocks of Peace with one another.

The Boers were & are not a colonial power. Man alive such ignorance! The Boers are an anti colonial group which fought against both Dutch & British colonialism as an indigenous cultural group.

The Boers were not "fighting for spoils". Man alive! they were simply fighting for their very survival. Remember the British went to war with them in order to conquer their homelands / republics & to subjugate them as they were in the way of British imperialism in the region.

The Cape Dutch of the Western Cape (who were the forebears of the Afrikaners) were the ones who were neo colonial & exploited (usually on behalf of the European powers) the region. The Boers or Trekboer / Grensboere & Voortrekker descent had no aspirations to do so & only
wanted to live in peace & to govern themselves.

It appears that you know nothing about the history of SA as the Great Trek was not just over British colonialism but also over the constant border wars with the Xhosas as well as growing land shortages.

Please I implore you to learn about Boer history & remember that the Boers are not Afrikaners. The Boers have their own cultural identity / language -which they call "die taal"- & customs. The Boers would have most gladly have given up all the resources of the region if they could have just been left alone to govern themsleves but that was never an option since the British elite controlled the resources from day one & simply wanted to make sure that they would continue to do so. The Boers were fighting to maintain their independence in their 50 year internationally recognized republics.

To Mike: There is in fact a genocide being committed against the Boer farmers of South Africa. Gregory Stanton the President of Genocide Watch has stated that the killings can be classified as a genocide under the Genocide Convention.

The Boer farmers have been reported as the most at risk group for being killed in the whole world. If this is not genocide than what is?

While Apartheid should never have occurred one should remember that the state of South Africa should never have occurred either. The state of South Africa is a colonial construct.

Furthermore: the political corner stone of Apartheid the South Africa Act of 1909 HAS NEVER BEEN REPEALED! It has been transferred to the various Constitutional Acts. The reason why Apartheid was such a centralized regiment & why there is STILL Apartheid in South Africa has everything to do with the fact that the British created artificial construct called South Africa still exists in its original form.

Final note. I have always found it rather interesting how there is still to date no outrage over the Apartheid policies of Mauritania -you do not suppose it has anything to do with the fact that there are no resources there as there were in South Africa now. While the Apartheid laws were reprehensible -one thing is certain. The elite opposition to them had nothing to do with "liberation" but everything to do with liberating the resources for the European based ruling class. The current regime will be just as easily replaced once they were to begin to be an obstacle -remember Chile 1973- to the rulers. Which is the main reason why the average people are likely never going to benefit form the resources of the region.

crazy horse

Listen you kaffir loving nitwit, i run my own family business along with my bother .. my point is the government is making mandatory that you employ kaffirs . Why should i?

People like you make me sick complaining about everything from the safety of your computer . Why dont you go home and make a diference ... the kaffirs cant kill you they are busy killing themselves .

You and all the other kaffir lovers try to imply that they will never be another white leader , but there will . Its only a matter of time and these black rascist cunts ANC will see ..

whites will get there country back

Mike,

I don't know what a REAL Irishman is and I would not be so presumptuous as to think I know what is in the heart of another man. All I know is that you are right and you are wrong; there are not just two sides to the coin, there are three; yours, mine and the truth; and the truth is the bit that gets sandwiched and sacrificed inbetween the other two sides.

You sound like a reasonable man and worthy of consideration; so I'll offer you a reasonable analogy. This was said by a man called Pastor Martin Niemoller who was an outspoken critic of Hitler during the Second World War.

"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time, there was no one left to speak up for me."

That text appears in several varying forms but is always attributed to the Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöeller (1892-1984) who was jailed several times by Hitler in the mid 1930s, then spent eight years in Sachenhausen and Dachau. He survived to become an important anti-nuclear pacifist; so he did some good.

I don't expect Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland to ever see eye to eye, at least not in my lifetime. It seems that bigotry is still the curse of our so called civilised world; but what has civilisation brought us? Hatred, spite and other sins? I don't expect people to stop killing each other because of their differences but it would be nice if the Politicans who start these crazy conflicts would just go into a large field and fight it out among themselves, instead of sending our children off to die for their incredibly subjective beliefs.

All in all, I understand what you are saying but I think you have mis-understood what I am saying.

I don’t (for instance) know if it should matter which side of the political / sectarian divide I am on; I do not differentiate between REAL Catholic Irishmen and REAL Protestant Irishmen (even though the REAL Protestant, or at least the Orange Lodge, regards Northern Ireland as Ulster). That said, I do believe I have a reasonable idea what people mean when they say “Africa is for Africans" - but just as the Protestant land owner was transplanted into Ireland centuries ago, so the Afrikaner was transplanted into Africa.

Please don't get me wrong; just as the Oregon Trail created many American heroes, so did the Afrikaner Treks in South Africa; and it seems fair to say the Afrikaner was a courageous race. The problem is, the argument over rights to A N Other Land needs to reflect where those claiming those rights originally came from and I mean to where they can trace their ancestry.

And yes, I was born “Irish/Irish/catholic” as opposed to “British/Irish Protestant” and whilst I do have a very good idea of what oppression is because I grew up in an environment of segregation and bigotry, I have never hated another man or woman for their frailties or prejudices. I may have disliked their arrogance, self-righteousness and hypocrisy, but that is not a matter of race, religion, or creed; it is a matter of personal integrity.

You can lie to yourself all your life, you can tell yourself you are better than someone else, but you will always know that the lie exists, even if no-one else does. It is the man in the mirror you can't fool. I figure it this way. If you want to be a better man, you have to start by trying to understand the three sides of the coin, and it's the bit in the middle that matters; the Truth; but the truth does no belong to any one sub-set in any conflict, it belongs to everyone.

It takes a courageous man indeed to see the three sides of any coin and an even more courageous one to reach out to those he grew up hating because that's just the way it was back then. No-one on his death bed ever says, I wish I'd spent more time hating.

Vassily you stupid fuckwit, stop talking crap! You running a family business with your brother refusing to employ kaffirs.... LOL! You and your boet probably run a shebeen or some tin pot scam ripping people off. If you had any sort of decent sized business, the kaffir government would force you to employ blacks, you doos, but since you are scratching out a pathetic living one plate of "kos" a time, the anc are not interested in you or your brother, you are just another white kaffir to them. The anc sees all South Africans in the same light....you are all stupid peasants to them. When they want some dirty work done, they call upon the black peasants to do their killing, whilst the white ones do the paying of taxes and utilities. I think perhaps the white elite of the new world order will one day put whites back in charge in Southern Africa, especially when the kaffirs have out lived their usefulness or are dead from aids. But it won't be the whites you are thinking of, or the government you are thinking of.
I am at home making a difference...at home in my new country where I am excepted and treated as a human being, just like a couple of million other white South Africans who saw the writing on the wall and left that cesspit... not in your communist kaffir country hiding behind electric fences telling everyone I'm fighting kaffirs. You are way too stupid to ever begin to understand what happened in South Africa and why, even though another poster has set it out for you to read in black & white. Go back to work you numb scull dip stick hotnot!

James ,

I do not claim to know everything (unlike like some bigoted nitwits like Crazy horse) but I do believe we as so called “reasonable “ people, run a profound risk of UNDERESTIMATING the affects of apartheid and exactly how some people suffered at that time and even before that time. In all situations like this we gotta look and appreciate what went on before cos it is only then can we face the obstacles the future throws at us.

I do believe to understand oppression and have an insight as to why people who have been oppressed people react in ways they do you have to be on the receiving end of some hard core oppression yourself. Whilst ANC were outlawed they received considerable financial from elements of the Irish Republican movement as well as Palestinian and Zimbabwean Liberation movements . These groups supported the ANC not just because some( of the groups) had a background in socialism but because the groups mentioned were keen to support political movements similar to theirs : ie from people fighting against discrimination in their own countries from perceived foreign forces.

You made interesting point of comparison between Ulster Protestants and Boers : the Prods were transplanted by the English as a buffer against Irish Catholicism;Boers ( the Dutch farmers , French Huguenots, and Germans) transplanted themselves in Southern Africa and on arriving found an endless supply of wonderfully fertile land to hone their superb agricultural skills; and of course they were equipped FAR superior weaponry enabling them to thwart the occasional attacks of the natives ( bushmen, xonas, Bantus and Zulus - true indigenous tribes of that section of Africa) .Its only when the brits came on the scene and started bossing things Boers felt the need to talk with their feet begin the treks.

The “Prods” of North Ireland, through some gerrymandering of borders and other deliberate oversights of the brits ( in the 1920 treaty) were able to maintain protestant majority in the maintain permanent Protestant majority . The Boers didn’t even need a majority to dominate their subordinates in SA did they? But how long could this continue ? How long did you expect a system to last that had as its very foundation the complete social, political , economic domination of an overwhelming majority of black Africans (in their own country) by a tiny minority of Dutch descendants who then referred to themselves as “ Europeans” as opposed to the now commonly used term of “white South Africans “ . Not long before it blew up in everyone’s’ face .

What I find amusing is how some of us “Apatheid sympathizers” have, over the course of time, almost re written the role of the boers in history . If I am to believe the content of some of these posts .. the boers were anti apartheid race totally against violence . Then how then did the Boers come to acquire 95% of the most fertile land in SA even BEFORE the end of the eighteenth century and many many years before the formal enactment of Apartheid .

The Jewish media uses very quick in reminding the world of the Holocaust as an example of mans inhumanity to man , but some of the Perpetrators (Like PW Botha to name just one ) of some of the most hideous crimes of Apartheid era are still walking free despite getting away with countless murders of innocent people . These people were complict in many killings and even political assassinations are walking free in SA when they should be in the Hague for crimes against humanity!

Nobody bats an eyelid .

In story of South Africa some of the more “reasonable” people may look for ways of assigning blame on both sides of racial divide and justifiably so; but in the story of south Africa much the same as the Jewish Hollocaust …. the bad guys were bad and when I say bad they were VERY BAD .

Mr Self Determination .

You may well find support for your assertions on here but i totally disagree with you .

Boers have a every right to be in SA but they are not and never have been authentic natives of the land of South africa . They were a group of European settlers who had the farming expertise aswell weaponary to make South Africa there own and aquire the natives peoples land as and when they pleased

Your hero Andreas Pretorious defeat of of the zulus "battle of blood river" effectively ended the Zulus threat to the boers and most were quickly absorbed as slaves in the boer republics .

And this nonsense about boers not being "100% white " does not hold water either . The Boers were steadfast in incorparting their percieved racial superiority over as a reason why they were so effective in defeating the bantus , zulus and other natives in skirmishes .

Its not the natives that made the Boers trek its the brits ...

Oh and whats this bloody nonsense about the Boers "being against apatheid because of farming " . Who bloody told you that?

Next thing you will be telling us that the Boers led by your mate Crazy horse walked hand in hand with Martin Luther King appealing for better treatment of blacks in US .

If you gonna bullshit make it a bit more realistic.

Since you are so against white Boers and Afrikaaners living in South Africa (how about the pommies?), "exploiting" the blacks, what the hell are you doing there? Why have you not moved out and gone back to your white forefathers homlands of Europe, after all, according to you, Africa is for black Africans! You are the arsehole of all arseholes with your head stuck so far up so many black arseholes you barely have time for a breath of fresh air. But I can understand your plight you dimwit.....you need to be seen as the good bwana in the eyes of your black boss' because you are hoping against hope that when they come for you and your family, you can buy them off, tell them how you stayed to make a difference, how you always were and still are against apartheid and colonialism, how your fathers ancestors were real bastards for coming to Africa and stealing black owned land......which means that you are living in a home that some poor black family should be living in, you hypocritical halfwit!

Since the begining of time all the Eurpean/arabic countries have done is build their economies based on African resources ...

White has no place in Africa ..please go.

Black Africans come to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, England and Europe with their aids, lazy arses and woe is me attitude, then live off welfare paid by white taxpayers....please go home to Africa where you rightly belong, we don't want you here!

There are too many kaifir lovers putting forward agendised views... no sense of perspective .

The fact is black rule has been a complete failure .The number of people (black and white) on the poverty line has increased .

Some kaffir lovers can come on here with fancy words but the people that matter: the people on the ground blacks; and whites are still suffering .

Whites are being killed due to removing of the Pass laws which protected whites from the mongrel kaffirs . Things are a mess but i will stay ..

I am no coward kaiff cunt like crazy horse and these indie media people ..

South africa belongs to us whites

James/ Mr Self determination

We can all shout platitudes till we are all pink in the face but that don’t matter .The reason why South Africa is in the position it is now is as much to do with the past as much as anything else …

When the apartheid regime fell in 1990,South Africa didn’t fall to pieces , because of Nelson Mandella and I thank God him .

The ANC , like many other political parties world wide have made their mistakes but has by and large strove to alleviate the poverty and degradation of the victims of apartheid without resorting to counter productive populism .
Those who sit and judge ANC expecting this party to produce short term miracles making EVERYONE happy all at the SAME TIME are being very very naïve and unreasonable to say the least .

First of all , very few newly democratic countries - even in the third world – have inherited the rubbish ANC Inherited - to say those guys had their hands full would be an UNDER STATEMENT . But despite inheriting a complete and utter mess from the outgoing National Party in ’94 .. the post apartheid government has managed to build over 2 million new homes; connect 5 million new households with electricity and provide 11 million homes with running water .

But Mr Anthony let me tell you something : all you need to do is drive from Cape Town airport into the citys’ almost exclusively white suburbs at the foot of Table mountain you will see that South Africa is STILL scarred by the Legacy of apartheid . GEORGRAPHICALLY apartheid is still very much in existence . The Shacks in Cape Town now have electricity but what else has really changed?

Well despite inheriting a pile of crap from the disintegrating apartheid government , the ANC has presided over several years growth low budget deficits and low inflation . House prices have risen steadily, and there has been increased foreign investment by some big international players .

There has been two major failings of this governments - both intrinsically linked to each other: rising crime and high unemployment.

As any government ANC has experienced problems satisfying the grass root supporters particularly when the supporters in question are poor have been disaffected for a long time . Its was not gonna be easy to satisfy the 88% black majority who have been denied proper access to education (in their own country ) for generations and provide them with the skills to needed to properly address the skills shortage . This is gonna take time but SA will be able to achieve these ….but these are long term objectives .

One thing that ANY future democratic government (of any color) in SA cannot ignore is the wishes of the OVERWHELMING majority of Black African ancestry and who are more african than anyone else and who have been for such a long time been marginalized from every facet of south African like . As opposed to concentrating on making the tiny minority (3.1 million) of white people happy to the exclusion of everyone else . That’s not gonna wash in south African politics any more . .(Tony Leon :take note)

I am very optimistic about the long term future of SA.

There is a common misconception here that must be cleared up once & for all concerning the recent line by James Anthony that the "Afrikaner was transplanted into Africa." This is not quite the case but is a very complicated matter. First of all the term Afrikaner encompasses disparate groups of White Afrikaans speakers from those who are descended from the neo colonial Cape Dutch to those who are descended from the anti colonial / indigenous & independent Boers of Trekboer (migrating farmer) / Grensboere (Border Farmers on the eastern Cape frontier) / Voortrekker (pioneers who left the eastern Cape en masse trekking into the depopulated regions in the north) descent. The Boer nation was not a European transplant & came about on African soil as a result of diverse cultural / national & ethnic amalgamation even adopting an African language which is named after the African continent. The Boers began early on to drop the use of Dutch & began using the local African dialect of the language as a result of the significant Indian / Malay / Khoi & other local influences. Remember: the Boers did not exist as a cultural group in Europe therefore they were not & could not have been transplanted into Africa. The Boers are the result of a cultural group which was formed on African soil long before this group encountered the Black settlers in the east who are themselves originally from the Great Lakes region of the Congo. The Boer people began to break their ties to Europe during the 1690s & into the 1700s when the Trekboers trekked away from the Western Cape & into the eastern Cape frontier in order to find better grazing lands & to escape the authoritarian rule of the Dutch East Company from which most of their ancestors were once servants of. A group of these Boers rebelled against Dutch rule in 1795 setting up the first independent Boer republics at Swellendam & Graaff-Reinet. The British came later & defeated these republics in 1796. The Boers are a humble pastoral people who lived a near subsistence lifestyle in stark contrast to their cousins in the Western Cape. Furthermore James: there were no Afrikaner treks in Southern Africa -there were Boer treks. Response to Mike: No the Boers did not transplant themselves in Southern Africa: the ancestors of the Boers were servants of the Dutch East India Company & it was this commercial corporation which brought these servants (a number against their will) to Africa. Even the French Huguenot refugees were brought to Africa via the Dutch East India Company as they had initially escaped from France going to the Netherlands. The Dutch East India Company sent a number of them to their station in the Cape. Furthermore: the Boers did not even exist as a cultural group in Europe so the assertion that they were transplanted is further moot. The Boer culture & unique language (which is found nowhere in Europe) is a direct result of diverse ethnic & national origins & African conditions. The Boer nation & culture arose out of the blending of diverse cultures & peoples (some of whom were Khoisan) which occurred on African soil. The Boer culture is more distinct & unique than the Americans are from the British or even the Australians are from the British. No one (or very few at lest) would attempt to deny that the Americans are Americans or that the Australians are Australians -despite the fact that most of their ancestors came from Europe- yet you seem to imply that the Boers are not Africans despite the fact that the Boers developed on African soil. The term Afrikaner (which encompasses a diverse group of Afrikaans speakers) is an Afrikaans term for African so too is the term Afrikaans. One wonders if you also believe that the Berbers are also not Africans as they could fit a " transplanted" paradigm. Certainly the Egyptians would likely fit a transplanted paradigm -despite their unique culture- as most of their ancestors are from the middle east. Just as it is absurd to assert that the Egyptians are not Africans so too is it absurd to assert that the Boers are not Africans. How long must a people live in a continent & be historically connected to the said continent before they are considered as part of the established cultures of said continent in your world. Concerning your contention as to who you believe are the "true indigenous tribes" of the region: wrong. The only true indigenous tribe in the Southern African region are the Khoisan peoples whom were massacred & displaced by the migrating Bantus who are themselves a transplanted people from central Africa. The Bantus stole much more land than the Boers could ever be accused of doing -yet in your world they get a pass while the Boers are blamed for the actions of their colonial oppressors who forced their servant ancestors to Africa in the first place. The Boers just wanted to live as a people -which germinated spontaneously out of the various peoples the Dutch East India Company brought to the Cape- & to be left alone. They never wanted the burdens of governing other peoples which was always the desire of the colonial powers. No. The Great Trek was not just the result of the British coming on to the scene. The Great Trek was hugely influenced by the constant border wars with the Xhosas to the east as they were constantly marauding Boer farms & killing Boer people. Remember: the Boers probably could have lived under the British were it not for the fact that that the British were very adverse towards the Boers with their Anglicizing polices which aimed at forcing them to speak English in their own institutions & the brutal manner in which the British went about enforcing their laws which led to the brutal hanging of 5 leaders of an "uprising" at Slagters Nek. To complicate matters: the British made rulings which favoured the Xhosa dispossession of Boer lands. The Boers held long & lengthy debates on what to do & decided that the best thing they could do was to trek into the depopulated lands to the north. The Boers did not "dominate subordinates" as you assert. The Boers engaged in negotiations with the various peoples in question. Remember: Piet Retief (name of French origin) obtained a negotiated land treaty from Dingaan the Zulu King before the King had him & over 300 Boer civilians killed in the most brutal manner. Most were clubbed & beaten to death. The Boers were even in an alliance with the Griquas (whom were their partial cousins but much more Khoi & Tswana in descent) & the Rolong (West Sothos) whom assisted the Boers in their struggles against the attacking Ndebeles who once held sway over the Northern Transvaal. The historial record of the region shows a much more complicated picture than the simple "overlord Boers" & "indigenous" Black settlers one that you are clearly attempting to paint. Furthermore: the Boers NEVER referred to themselves as Europeans. The European designation was brought to South Africa by the British. The British began the use of referring to all of the White people there as "Europeans" despite the historical fact that the Boers never referred to themselves as Europeans & cut ties to Europe & even referred to themselves as Africans. The book entitled: Ces francais qui ont fait l'Afrique du Sud -translation: The French People Who Made South Africa by Bernard Lugan: states that the French Huguenots refugees began to refer to themselves as Africans which was later adopted by the Boers which came about as a result of the amalgamation of the local farming communities. Once again you demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge concerning the history of the Boer people / nation. The English speaking settlers could be more accurately described as being a transplanted culture than the indigenous Boers can. After all: the English speakers still had a favourable sentiment for England / spoke an English dialect & created nothing new of their own while the Boers on the other hand had long since carved out a local indigenous identity language & culture & had no fond sentiment for Europe or even a true remembrance of Europe. When the British came onto the scene they decided to label people based on one dimensional arbitrary system -ie: European non European- which did not recognize the cultural realities as they were even openly aiming at eradicating the Boer culture & their language to the point of making the Boers "European" as most of their forebears once were. The term European in point of fact was detrimental to the Boer identity which was only ever supported by the British & the Afrikaners aligned with their agenda. For the record again. The Boers are less than 40 % descended from Dutch people & are about 30 % descended from Germans & about 23 % descended from French with about 6 % non White origins such as the aboriginal Khoisan peoples / Malays as well as imported Indian slaves. The Boers are a distinct people with a unique culture & are no more European (even less so) than the Americans or Australians. The Boers even speak a language which is not found anywhere in Europe & is even named after the African continent. < If I am to believe the content of some of these posts .. the boers were anti apartheid race totally against violence . Then how then did the Boers come to acquire 95% of the most fertile land in SA even BEFORE the end of the eighteenth century and many many years before the formal enactment of Apartheid . > First of all the Boers trekked into mainly depopulated lands in the north during the Great Trek as a result of the Difiqane / Mefecane which was started by the Zulu king Shaka who has been called the Black Napoleon by numerous historians. The Great Trek would not have ever been possible were it not for the fact that vast tracks of land had been depopulated by the inter tribal wars. The Boers did not "acquire" fertile lands. What you fail to realize is that much -though not all- of the lands that the Boers acquired were arid & initially very difficult to grow anything on. The land in question only BECAME fertile in time! Even Professor Jared Diamond mentions in Guns Germs & Steel that the Trekker Boers had great difficulty in their initial attempts at farming the sub-tropical region they had trekked to & had to abandon their old farming practices & adopt new methods in order to adapt to a different climate. It was only after much effort & difficulty that the Boers began to make arid regions fertile. Now of course some of the land the Boers acquired - particularly around Pretoria- were fertile before they arrived but much of the land they acquired was not. < The Jewish media uses very quick in reminding the world of the Holocaust as an example of mans inhumanity to man , but some of the Perpetrators (Like PW Botha to name just one ) of some of the most hideous crimes of Apartheid era are still walking free despite getting away with countless murders of innocent people . These people were complict in many killings and even political assassinations are walking free in SA when they should be in the Hague for crimes against humanity! > What about others who were promoted to the position of President such as Nelson Mandela who ordered the Church Street Bombing in Pretoria which killed 17 people & injured 197 people. What about Robert McBride who killed people in a Durban bombing of a night club who is now the chief of police. A criminal in charge of the police force. Talk about surreal. The Church Street Bombing. Now this is not to deny any role Mandela had in attempting to create a non racial South Africa but the fact of the matter is that he has admitted in his own autobiography the terrorist role he played in the past & was they very reason why he was imprisoned in the first place. He was certainly no Martin Luther King. While you like to assert that the Boers are not "authentic" natives to the land -despite the fact that their unique culture was formed on African soil- well neither are the various Bantu peoples & nations authentic natives. Remember: the Bantus came as settlers from the Great Lakes region in the Congo & massacred / absorbed & displaced the true native Khoisan peoples. The Boers are native to the western Cape in much the same way as the Bantus might be in the eastern part of the country as both Boer ancestors & Bantus displaced & absorbed the aboriginal Khoisan people who are the true native peoples of the region. Andries Pretorius is not necessarily a "hero" of mine just because I mentioned the historically stated fact that he is the Boer equivalent of a George Washington. I am simply restating a line verbatim that historians have used when referring to Andries Pretorius as there are significant & numerous similarities to George Washington. Both figures were considered to be very important & notable leaders of their respective peoples. Both fought against the British Empire. Both were responsible for founding independent countries. Both had capitals of the countries they helped to found named after them in their honour. The assertion that most of the Zulus were absorbed as slaves in the Boer Republics is a pure falsehood. If that was the case then who the hell were the British fighting in 1879? Man alive! Think first before making absurd claims as the above. Most of the Black farm workers in the Boer Republics were acquired as a result of Black refugees of the Difiqane who were not Zulus at all. In fact the Black Sotho refugees were escaping the Zulus & their ethnic cleansing campaign. Most of the victims of the Difiqane were either displaced / absorbed (into the Zulu nation) or killed. The Zulus were still independent until the British conquered them in 1879. The whole reason for the so called "battle of blood river" which was really in point of fact the Nacome River was because the Boers were under assault by Dingaan's impis. Remember: Piet Retief his son & 300 Boer civilians were killed by Dingan's impis after Retief acquired through peaceful negotiation of a small pice of empty land under Zulu administration. The "battle of blood river" occurred after Andries Pretorius offered to enter into negotiations for peace with Dingaan if he were to restore the land that Dingaan had initially offered to Retief even via a legal document. Dingaan sent his response in the form of attacking impis on December 16 1838. What were the Boers supposed to do -just roll over & die as they did in February 1838 when they were attacked & killed before? This famous battle was a battle of self defense. The Boers never conquered of subjugated the Zulus of Zululand. They were able to acquire the short lived Natalia Republic -which was initially offered to Retief- in 1839 - 1843 after entering into an alliance with the new Zulu King Mpande but left the Zulus to govern themselves. < Most importantly, the Voortrekker leaders did not interpret the victories as the defeat of inferior sub-humans but as a struggle of the Gospel against Paganism. In their eyes this was a defensive battle of a Christian people coming in peace against pagan demonized peoples. For example, the victorious Battle of Blood River in Natal occurred immediately after dictator Shaka Zulu's powerful imperial kingdom broke a treaty to allow the Boers to settle in unoccupied land. He murdered Boer leaders in the middle of the treaty signing ceremony and then had his troops slaughter a large group of Boer men, women and children left behind in a wagon train. In a defensive counteraction, about 350 Boers in a circled wagon train won a miraculous victory against about 15,000 attacking Zulus. This broke the Zulus' resistance to the gospel which American and British missionaries had experienced up to then. > The above is an except from South African Tragedy Restored? < And this nonsense about boers not being "100% white " does not hold water either . The Boers were steadfast in incorparting their percieved racial superiority over as a reason why they were so effective in defeating the bantus , zulus and other natives in skirmishes . > Nonsense my ass. There is a long record of this very fact. The fact that some Boers & Afrikaners held racial superiority beliefs does not negate the fact of their complete ethnic origins. Most Boers were & are not racist in the sense that they are hostile to other groups. The following are some relevant links. < Erroneously some have claimed the Afrikaans language to be the language of the 'Baas'. Afrikaans is the result of bringing together the East and the West, the North and the South. It was and should be the language that celebrates our cultural diversity rather than the language of exclusion. On the other hand those who attack Afrikaans is attacking not the language of the white man, but also the legacy that our slave stamouer have left behind in the development of this language > The above excerpt from: Slave Stamouers of South Africa. < Just how history will come to judge Frederik Willem de Klerk is something else. He admits to being nothing more than a product of time and circumstances. His ancestors were French Protestants--Huguenots--who fled to the Netherlands to avoid religious persecution and settled in the South African Cape in 1688. Like many Afrikaners he has a skeleton in the closet--one of his 18th century forebears was the daughter of an Indian slave. > The above is from: The Xhosas were just as instrumental in driving the Boers to trek into the north as the British were. Look it up. Do at least a little research. The Boers did not want Apartheid as they thought that it would hinder the supply of farm labourers. I am not aware that Crazy Horse was my "mate". I do not even know him or her. Sir: I have not "bullshit" a single word I wrote as they are all from years of diligent & painstaking research. I have been researching the Boer people & the South African region for well over a decade now. I think I know what the hell I am talking about. While you on the other hand have had nothing but utter bullshit to say about the Boer people. Learn the history of the Boer people before further attacking them & distorting their record. Who Were The Boers of The Anglo-Boer War. Boer, Afrikaner or White Which Are You? Maatskappy, State & Empire: A Pro Boer Revision. Odd how in your fawning evaluation of the ANC cleptocracy you fail to mention the growing crime rate which they have done nothing about & the complete break down of the criminal justice system. Though I guess you prefer to live in a dream world. No. The Black Africans are not more African than anyone else. Wrong. The Khoisan peoples are much more African than the Bantus that you slavishly defend by hook & crook. The Khoisan peoples have a 50 000 year history in the region while most the Bantus do not go back for more than 500 to 1 000 years in the north eastern part of the region. What about the marginalization of the Khoisan peoples. What about the marginalization of the Coloured peoples who have publicly stated that they were not White enough under the old dispensation & are now not Black enough under the new dispensation.

There is a common misconception here that must be cleared up once & for all concerning the recent line by James Anthony that the "Afrikaner was transplanted into Africa." This is not quite the case but is a very complicated matter. First of all the term Afrikaner encompasses disparate groups of White Afrikaans speakers from those who are descended from the neo colonial Cape Dutch to those who are descended from the anti colonial / indigenous & independent Boers of Trekboer (migrating farmer) / Grensboere (Border Farmers on the eastern Cape frontier) / Voortrekker (pioneers who left the eastern Cape en masse trekking into the depopulated regions in the north) descent.

The Boer nation was not a European transplant & came about on African soil as a result of diverse cultural / national & ethnic amalgamation even adopting an African language which is named after the African continent.
The Boers began early on to drop the use of Dutch & began using the local African dialect of the language as a result of the significant Indian / Malay / Khoi & other local influences. Remember: the Boers did not exist as a cultural group in Europe therefore they were not & could not have been transplanted into Africa. The Boers are the result of a cultural group which was formed on African soil long before this group encountered the
Black settlers in the east who are themselves originally from the Great Lakes region of the Congo.

The Boer people began to break their ties to Europe during the 1690s & into the 1700s when the Trekboers trekked away from the Western Cape & into the eastern Cape frontier in order to find better grazing lands & to
escape the authoritarian rule of the Dutch East Company from which most of their ancestors were once servants of. A group of these Boers rebelled against Dutch rule in 1795 setting up the first independent Boer republics
at Swellendam & Graaff-Reinet. The British came later & defeated these republics in 1796. The Boers are a humble pastoral people who lived a near subsistence lifestyle in stark contrast to their cousins in the Western Cape. Furthermore James: there were no Afrikaner treks in Southern Africa -there were Boer treks.

Response to Mike: No the Boers did not transplant themselves in Southern Africa: the ancestors of the Boers were servants of the Dutch East India Company & it was this commercial corporation which brought these
servants (a number against their will) to Africa. Even the French Huguenot refugees were brought to Africa via the Dutch East India Company as they had initially escaped from France going to the Netherlands. The Dutch East India Company sent a number of them to their station in the Cape. Furthermore: the Boers did not even exist as a cultural group in Europe so the assertion that they were transplanted is further moot. The Boer culture & unique language (which is found nowhere in Europe) is a direct result of diverse ethnic & national origins & African conditions.

The Boer nation & culture arose out of the blending of diverse cultures & peoples (some of whom were Khoisan) which occurred on African soil. The Boer culture is more distinct & unique than the Americans are from the British or even the Australians are from the British. No one (or very few at lest) would attempt to deny that the Americans are Americans or that the Australians are Australians -despite the fact that most of their ancestors came from Europe- yet you seem to imply that the Boers are not Africans despite the fact that the Boers developed on African soil. The term Afrikaner (which encompasses a diverse group of Afrikaans speakers) is an Afrikaans term for African so too is the term Afrikaans.

One wonders if you also believe that the Berbers are also not Africans as they could fit a " transplanted" paradigm. Certainly the Egyptians would likely fit a transplanted paradigm -despite their unique culture- as most of their ancestors are from the middle east. Just as it is absurd to assert that the Egyptians are not Africans so too is it absurd to assert that the Boers are not Africans. How long must a people live in a continent & be
historically connected to the said continent before they are considered as part of the established cultures of said continent in your world.

Concerning your contention as to who you believe are the "true indigenous tribes" of the region: wrong. The only true indigenous tribe in the Southern African region are the Khoisan peoples whom were massacred & displaced by the migrating Bantus who are themselves a transplanted people from central Africa. The Bantus stole much more land than the Boers could ever be accused of doing -yet in your world they get a pass while the Boers are blamed for the actions of their colonial oppressors who forced their servant ancestors to Africa in the first place. The Boers just wanted to live as a people -which germinated spontaneously out of the various peoples
the Dutch East India Company brought to the Cape- & to be left alone. They never wanted the burdens of governing other peoples which was always the desire of the colonial powers.

No. The Great Trek was not just the result of the British coming on to the scene. The Great Trek was hugely influenced by the constant border wars with the Xhosas to the east as they were constantly marauding Boer
farms & killing Boer people. Remember: the Boers probably could have lived under the British were it not for the fact that that the British were very adverse towards the Boers with their Anglicizing polices which aimed
at forcing them to speak English in their own institutions & the brutal manner in which the British went about enforcing their laws which led to the brutal hanging of 5 leaders of an "uprising" at Slagters Nek.

To complicate matters: the British made rulings which favoured the Xhosa dispossession of Boer lands. The Boers held long & lengthy debates on what to do & decided that the best thing they could do was to trek into the depopulated lands to the north.

The Boers did not "dominate subordinates" as you assert. The Boers engaged in negotiations with the various peoples in question. Remember: Piet Retief (name of French origin) obtained a negotiated land treaty from
Dingaan the Zulu King before the King had him & over 300 Boer civilians killed in the most brutal manner. Most were clubbed & beaten to death. The Boers were even in an alliance with the Griquas (whom were their
partial cousins but much more Khoi & Tswana in descent) & the Rolong (West Sothos) whom assisted the Boers in their struggles against the attacking Ndebeles who once held sway over the Northern Transvaal.

The historial record of the region shows a much more complicated picture than the simple "overlord Boers" & "indigenous" Black settlers one that you are clearly attempting to paint.

Furthermore: the Boers NEVER referred to themselves as Europeans. The European designation was brought to South Africa by the British. The British began the use of referring to all of the White people there as
"Europeans" despite the historical fact that the Boers never referred to themselves as Europeans & cut ties to Europe & even referred to themselves as Africans. The book entitled: Ces francais qui ont fait l'Afrique
du Sud -translation: The French People Who Made South Africa by Bernard Lugan: states that the French Huguenots refugees began to refer to themselves as Africans which was later adopted by the Boers which
came about as a result of the amalgamation of the local farming communities.

Once again you demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge concerning the history of the Boer people / nation. The English speaking settlers could be more accurately described as being a transplanted culture than the indigenous Boers can. After all: the English speakers still had a favourable sentiment for England / spoke an English dialect & created nothing new of their own while the Boers on the other hand had long since carved out a local indigenous identity language & culture & had no fond sentiment for Europe or even a true remembrance of Europe. When the British came onto the scene they decided to label people based on one dimensional arbitrary system -ie: European non European- which did not recognize the cultural realities as they were even openly aiming at eradicating the Boer culture & their language to the point of making the Boers "European" as most of their forebears once were.

The term European in point of fact was detrimental to the Boer identity which was only ever supported by the British & the Afrikaners aligned with their agenda.

For the record again. The Boers are less than 40 % descended from Dutch people & are about 30 % descended from Germans & about 23 % descended from French with about 6 % non White origins such as the
aboriginal Khoisan peoples / Malays as well as imported Indian slaves.

The Boers are a distinct people with a unique culture & are no more European (even less so) than the Americans or Australians. The Boers even speak a language which is not found anywhere in Europe & is even named
after the African continent.

< If I am to believe the content of some of these posts .. the boers were anti apartheid race totally against violence . Then how then did the Boers come to acquire 95% of the most fertile land in SA even BEFORE the end of the eighteenth century and many many years before the formal enactment of Apartheid . >

First of all the Boers trekked into mainly depopulated lands in the north during the Great Trek as a result of the Difiqane / Mefecane which was started by the Zulu king Shaka who has been called the Black Napoleon by
numerous historians. The Great Trek would not have ever been possible were it not for the fact that vast tracks of land had been depopulated by the inter tribal wars. The Boers did not "acquire" fertile lands. What you fail to realize is that much -though not all- of the lands that the Boers acquired were arid & initially very difficult to grow anything on. The land in question only BECAME fertile in time! Even Professor Jared Diamond mentions in Guns Germs & Steel that the Trekker Boers had great difficulty in their initial attempts at farming the sub-tropical region they had trekked to & had to abandon their old farming practices & adopt new methods in order to adapt to a different climate. It was only after much effort & difficulty that the Boers began to make arid regions fertile. Now of course some of the land the Boers acquired - particularly around Pretoria- were fertile before they arrived but much of the land they acquired was not.

< The Jewish media uses very quick in reminding the world of the Holocaust as an example of mans inhumanity to man , but some of the Perpetrators (Like PW Botha to name just one ) of some of the most hideous crimes of Apartheid era are still walking free despite getting away with countless murders of innocent people . These people were complict in many killings and even political assassinations are walking free in SA when they should be in the Hague for crimes against humanity! >

What about others who were promoted to the position of President such as Nelson Mandela who ordered the Church Street Bombing in Pretoria which killed 17 people & injured 197 people. What about Robert McBride
who killed people in a Durban bombing of a night club who is now the chief of police. A criminal in charge of the police force. Talk about surreal.

The Church Street Bombing. at: news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/low/dates/stories/may/20/newsid_4326000/4326975.stm

Now this is not to deny any role Mandela had in attempting to create a non racial South Africa but the fact of the matter is that he has admitted in his own autobiography the terrorist role he played in the past & was they very reason why he was imprisoned in the first place. He was certainly no Martin Luther King.

While you like to assert that the Boers are not "authentic" natives to the land -despite the fact that their unique culture was formed on African soil- well neither are the various Bantu peoples & nations authentic natives. Remember: the Bantus came as settlers from the Great Lakes region in the Congo & massacred / absorbed & displaced the true native Khoisan peoples. The Boers are native to the western Cape in much the same way
as the Bantus might be in the eastern part of the country as both Boer ancestors & Bantus displaced & absorbed the aboriginal Khoisan people who are the true native peoples of the region.

Andries Pretorius is not necessarily a "hero" of mine just because I mentioned the historically stated fact that he is the Boer equivalent of a George Washington. I am simply restating a line verbatim that historians have used when referring to Andries Pretorius as there are significant & numerous similarities to George Washington. Both figures were considered to be very important & notable leaders of their respective peoples. Both fought against the British Empire. Both were responsible for founding independent countries. Both had capitals of the countries they helped to found named after them in their honour.

The assertion that most of the Zulus were absorbed as slaves in the Boer Republics is a pure falsehood. If that was the case then who the hell were the British fighting in 1879? Man alive! Think first before making absurd
claims as the above. Most of the Black farm workers in the Boer Republics were acquired as a result of Black refugees of the Difiqane who were not Zulus at all. In fact the Black Sotho refugees were escaping the Zulus & their ethnic cleansing campaign. Most of the victims of the Difiqane were either displaced / absorbed (into the Zulu nation) or killed. The Zulus were still independent until the British conquered them in 1879.

The whole reason for the so called "battle of blood river" which was really in point of fact the Nacome River was because the Boers were under assault by Dingaan's impis.

Remember: Piet Retief his son & 300 Boer civilians were killed by Dingan's impis after Retief acquired through peaceful negotiation of a small pice of empty land under Zulu administration. The "battle of blood river" occurred
after Andries Pretorius offered to enter into negotiations for peace with Dingaan if he were to restore the land that Dingaan had initially offered to Retief even via a legal document. Dingaan sent his response in the form of
attacking impis on December 16 1838. What were the Boers supposed to do -just roll over & die as they did in February 1838 when they were attacked & killed before? This famous battle was a battle of self defense.
The Boers never conquered of subjugated the Zulus of Zululand. They were able to acquire the short lived Natalia Republic -which was initially offered to Retief- in 1839 - 1843 after entering into an alliance with the
new Zulu King Mpande but left the Zulus to govern themselves.

< Most importantly, the Voortrekker leaders did not interpret the victories as the defeat of inferior sub-humans but as a struggle of the Gospel against Paganism. In their eyes this was a defensive battle of a Christian people coming in peace against pagan demonized peoples. For example, the victorious Battle of Blood River in Natal occurred immediately after dictator Shaka Zulu's powerful imperial kingdom broke a treaty to allow the Boers to settle in unoccupied land. He murdered Boer leaders in the middle of the treaty signing ceremony and then had his troops slaughter a large group of Boer men, women and children left behind in a wagon train. In a defensive counteraction, about 350 Boers in a circled wagon train won a miraculous victory against about 15,000 attacking Zulus. This broke the Zulus' resistance to the gospel which American and British missionaries had experienced up to then. >

The above is an except from South African Tragedy Restored?

< And this nonsense about boers not being "100% white " does not hold water either . The Boers were steadfast in incorparting their percieved racial superiority over as a reason why they were so effective in defeating the bantus , zulus and other natives in skirmishes . >

Nonsense my ass. There is a long record of this very fact. The fact that some Boers & Afrikaners held racial superiority beliefs does not negate the fact of their complete ethnic origins. Most Boers were & are not racist in the sense that they are hostile to other groups.

The following are some relevant links.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/1266/genetic.htm

< Erroneously some have claimed the Afrikaans language to be the language of the 'Baas'. Afrikaans is the result of bringing together the East and the West, the North and the South. It was and should be the language
that celebrates our cultural diversity rather than the language of exclusion. On the other hand those who attack Afrikaans is attacking not the language of the white man, but also the legacy that our slave stamouer have left behind in the development of this language >

The above excerpt from: http://www.stamouers.com/Slave.htm / Slave Stamouers of South Africa.

< Just how history will come to judge Frederik Willem de Klerk is something else. He admits to being nothing more than a product of time and circumstances. His ancestors were French Protestants--Huguenots--who fled to the Netherlands to avoid religious persecution and settled in the South African Cape in 1688. Like many Afrikaners he has a skeleton in the closet--one of his 18th century forebears was the daughter of an Indian slave. >

The above is from: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/intl/article/0,9171,1107990201-20401,00.html

The Xhosas were just as instrumental in driving the Boers to trek into the north as the British were. Look it up. Do at least a little research.

The Boers did not want Apartheid as they thought that it would hinder the supply of farm labourers.

I am not aware that Crazy Horse was my "mate". I do not even know him or her.

Sir: I have not "bullshit" a single word I wrote as they are all from years of diligent & painstaking research. I have been researching the Boer people & the South African region for well over a decade now. I think I know what
the hell I am talking about. While you on the other hand have had nothing but utter bullshit to say about the Boer people. Learn the history of the Boer people before further attacking them & distorting their record.

Who Were The Boers of The Anglo-Boer War. at:

http://www.stopboergenocide.com/29301/32001.html

Boer, Afrikaner or White Which Are You? at:

http://www.stopboergenocide.com/29301/index.html">

Maatskappy, State & Empire: A Pro Boer Revision. at:

http://www.stopboergenocide.com/29301/95753.html

Odd how in your fawning evaluation of the ANC cleptocracy you fail to mention the growing crime rate which they have done nothing about & the complete break down of the criminal justice system. Though I guess you prefer to live in a dream world.

No. The Black Africans are not more African than anyone else. Wrong. The Khoisan peoples are much more African than the Bantus that you slavishly defend by hook & crook. The Khoisan peoples have a 50 000 year
history in the region while most the Bantus do not go back for more than 500 to 1 000 years in the north eastern part of the region.

What about the marginalization of the Khoisan peoples. What about the marginalization of the Coloured peoples who have publicly stated that they were not White enough under the old dispensation & are now not Black
enough under the new dispensation.

Clarification.
by Pro Self Determination. Friday, Apr. 21, 2006 at 12:16 PM

The word propective in my first post of April 11 should in fact be perspective. These errors will happend when one has to spend 3 hours of reading the numerous previous (& rather hate filled) posts.

Also: Piet Retief obtained a legal peace treaty from Dingaan the then Zulu King. After he was killed during a formal treaty signing ceremony his corpse was later found months later with the treaty sill in his pocket. A number of Boers still see this document as a legitimate treaty to the land in question. Andries Pretorius was recruited to fill the leadership vacuum of the Natal Boers as a direct result of the deaths of Piet Retief & Gert Maritz.

The Boer culture was almost decimated following the Anglo-Boer War. The Cape Dutch (as they were termed) of the Western Cape gained the upper hand in the newly created South African macro state due to their larger numbers (& their alignment with the British) to the Boers in which a number of Boers later became co-opted & even assimilated into the emerging Afrikaner designation. Though a significant number of Boers remained intact & never became assimilated into the Afrikaner or British cultures & designations.

The early promoters of the Afrikaner designation were from the ranks of the Cape Dutch such as the Reverand S J Du Toit & Gideon Malherbe (both surnames of French Huguenot origin) who ironically started an Afrikaans language movement at a time when most of the Boers of the easten Cape & the then independent self governed Boer Republics in the north referred to themselves as Boers & their language as die taal.

The notable creators of Grand Apartheid of the 1940s & 1950s (which was a continuation & re-orgnization of the British created segregationist polices) were mainly from the Western Cape such as Daniel Francois Malan or were initially from Holland such as Hendrik Verwoerd.

The Boers have fought virtually every single colonial & neo colonial power which ever ruled Southern Africa. The Boers resisted the Dutch East India Company throughout their early existence & later fought against Dutch rule in 1795 when they set up their first Boer Republics. They fought against the British colonial power. Thoughout the 19th century & beyond. They fought against the Afrikaners particulary during the 1914 Boer rebellion which aimed at re-establishing the Boer Republics.

The question now is whether the Boers will at some future point resist the current neo colonial rulers who are according to some reports orchestrating the killing of Boer farmers from Shell House. There are many here who have counted the Boers out but their history is full of instances where they finally say enough is enough & stand up for their themselves & their rights.

Reading these comments it's just unbelievable how pathetic many of these statements of hate are.
We (meaning ALL nations of the world) must work together. Work together to give Africa back to the black man...And work to get ALL blacks back to Africa. Only then will the civilized world be free of the animalistic terrors experienced in every nation by the blackman...and the blackmen will have a whole ghetto-continent to themselves...to do as they wish!!

I am an 18 year old Russian-born living in the U.S. since I was 6 and currently attending college. Well, I was planning to study abroad in Cape Town and so I was doing some research and stumbled upon this...

This is quite sad... makes me want to cry. We in the U.S. kieep thinking OUR racial problems are very disconcerting... but ohhh nooo, it looks like you guys have it alot worse.

Let me be clear, where I am from (Pittsburgh, PA), blacks and whites live side by side with NO such problems or hate... I mean, I even had a black girlfriend who I loved, and we went to movies together and had NO problems, I met her parents, she met mine, it was all excellent.

One of my best friends on campus (white) shares a house with a student from Cameroon. No problem.

I go to the basketball gym every weekend to play basketball… Blacks and whites come in a 50.50 ratio. Never been any problems… We had some fights, black vs. black, white vs. white, white vs. black, never racially driven though! Always separated by everyone not involved, white or black.

Our apartment complex has about 25% blacks, and we all go to the local pool and play pool volleyball together. A great time. Also, it is common practice here for everyone to leave their front door open during Summer months to let condensed warm air out and cooler outside air in. NEVER any burglaries, lol.

Near downtown, where I play basketball, there are some “all black” communities, and after each game, I will often walk back into this community a little bit while waiting for a bus because I always want to talk to the people there and say, “Hey, not EVERYONE is trying to oppress you. I want to HELP and am with you!” Everyone should have this attitude.

Personally, I believe in affirmative action 100%. It has little to do with race, really. There’s actually a ton of things I’d like to say, but it’s kinda tough laying it all out at 330am. For example, there’s a book called “Why some are rich and some are poor” and it basically mentions that countries which have hot climates have basically been limited in development throughout time… Modern studies all indicate that workers are FAR more effective at “room” temperature, and that constant heat (the kind that Africa has) over the past thousands of years (without air conditioning) has slowed civilized development of not just Africa, but many groups of people (ancient and present) whose territory lies in a hot climate (or with little resources). It points out that no countries lying at or right near the equator have a good economy. It also points out that a cold climate does not have this effect because there, people can always dress up to get to a proper temp. So these societies, which have for many years suffered from un-favorably natural conditions, and thus been exploited by white settlers, must be introduced into higher level of society, which they themselves are FULLY capable of achieving.

In our political science class, we also discussed how giving money to “black, urban” schools in the U.S. has almost no effect. For example, Washington D.C., our capital, is about 75% black, and since it is the capital, get the most funding for their schools… Yet they score lowest on standardized tests. Are the black people there less capable? No. But do their parents enforce good values upon them, like good study habits, etc? No. Good teachers cannot teach those who do not want to be taught. And why don’t the parents encourage their children to do well? Because their parents were never encouraged by their own parents, who were never encouraged by THEIR parents, etc… why? Well, it comes back to the unfortunate periods of slavery and such in America. How to overcome this? Allow black children into the “higher” community where they can, first hand, be PART of this developing culture. Then, once experienced, they will understand it’s values and teach their kids to STUDY and LEARN. So, if a black person has a DESIRE to get a job, by EVERY mean, ALLOW him, because many other ADULT black men are selling cocaine on our streets… Not because they aren’t CAPABLE of better, but because they do not see a point to it… because they were never a PART of the better world. Integrating the black and white community is key.

A problem we have in America is that, even though segregation ended in the 1960’s, many blacks still live together in poor neighborhoods… And end up going to one all-black school, just by circumstance… Because kids in the U.S. are required to attend their local school (unless they go to a private one). So, to help the black community, black families are allowed to apply for their children to transfer to a higher-income-community school, where they are educated better. Again, I am ALL for this. If a family wants for their child to attend a school better than their community school, that by all means, allow this child to do so.

Anyways, I was just almost in horror in reading the racism being thrown around here. Race is something we are born with, and it is difficult to overcome. It may have been intended by nature to serve a purpose, who knows? Just like a mother-child relationship is strongest, followed by the common association of family, then country, then perhaps religion, then race? A dog won’t protect a cat, but will protect another dog. Animals are built to have negative tendencies towards those that are different… But humans have the gift of intelligence… that is a true gift… Let us use it to our benefit. Many want to preserve racial identity, and that is excellent, but let us respect our neighbors! No one is asking you to marry a different race, but can we not make it so that if you love someone of another color, society will hold no grudges? Is this too much a dream to ask for? Can we not work towards this?

Also, may I recommend a course in sociology and psychology? It will REALLY help you understand things… even things like the origin of hip hop music. Also, it will teach you to control hate. Sure, I have some white students alongside me who are racist, of course… But I try to explain things to them so that they are more accepting and understanding… I don’t have thoughts of murdering them.

Sure, a black person will often cut me off in traffic, but I don’t have an urge to pull alongside them and give them the finger, because I understand that they cut me off not because they are “black” but because the history of oppression of the blacks in America has created an attitude among black people where they feel they do not have to signal before switching lanes, because they have been oppressed for so many years and almost feel a right to just switch lanes without signaling… Sure, it isn’t right, but I understand it! If I was oppressed by another group for many years, I too would probably naturally feel a “get out of my way” attitude towards them.

But it doesn’t change a thing. In the end, I care for my black neighbor as much (probably more so) than my white neighbor. There’s no use in murder/hate/racism… In the end, it doesn’t improve a thing.

And after all these horror stories I have read online, I still would LOVE to visit South Africa. I want to meet every white person and every black person and every mixed person. An idea sees no color and cannot die, even if its possessor does. I have an idea of one-ness. When you question things such as affirmative action, can you put a family member in position of, say, the entire black community? Would you be for affirmative action THEN, if a family member was struggling? So when a fellow people struggles, why close the doors? Do you not trust in them? Do you not trust in your idea? Ah, then it will die, of course. Do not let that happen.

Please email me at dmit424@yahoo.com , I want to discuss more! I don’t have more time to post anything right now, I have class soon this morning and it is 4am now!!! Later all.

Pro Determination : Yes the version of South African History a person reads is largely dependent on WHO is telling the tale isn’t it , mate ?

You Boers or Apatheid sympathizers will say that no blacks lived in Southern Africa at the time the Dutch arrived . The Dutch came along and convened with what you term “black settlers” coming from Central Africa . Bullshit, my friend.

You say I said Boers are not Africans . I said no such thing . Boers are Africans, but please understand that just as a black brit or an Indian Brit cannot claim to be as British or as English a white Englishman; a Boer cannot claim to be as African as the natives whose lands the Boers seized for generations . A Boer can never be as African as a Bantu, a Zulu,khoi and any of the other Nguni speaking natives .

You are now saying Boers didn’t enslave the natives. How convenient that is, to now make such an assertion in today’s climate of political correctness. Let me correct you: just because SOME of the disparite European races that amalgamated to form Boers group consisted of some slaves of the European continent; doesn’t mean that these people didn’t collectively enslave large sections of the African natives shortly after Boers arrival and in Africa. That much is historical fact . And can be shown in how large numbers of Hottenouts; Khoikhoi; Bantus , Ndebele and other natives were forced into arrangements that were not dissimilar to slavery and cheap labor . The Khoikhoi , Bantus Ndebele formed intergral parts of the Boer farming work force.

They even formed key parts of Boer armed forces that often launched punitive expeditions against other African tribes .

You say Boers were against Apartheid. Then you say they “expanded apartheid”. That is also nonsense . How can you be “against” something and then become the driving force behind its very expansion? The word Apartheid is Dutch For “separateness” . Separate development .

And this is related to the above point :There was simply not enough Boers, at that time, to effectively service large areas of land the Boers were now acquiring and Boers needed a steady pool of cheap subordinate labor . Or slaves . This is what the Africans were to the Boers. It was in Boers interest to have an endless supply of Africans as a strong labor to work the land . It was also imperative that these workers were themselves excluded from owning land . This, was the very foundations of Apartheid . That renders your claim that Boers were against Apartheid moot, mate. To suggest otherwise would be to deny that Boers and others whites didn’t institute Apartheid like conditions on Africans long before ’48..

That’s why …long, long before 1948 , long before 1913 ; long before 1882 many of the moves were in place black African tribes would be gradually disposed of their land . The vast majority of the Boers wholly for Apartheid cos they didn’t want competition from African native farmers and needed them as farm hands . And the Apartheid ideology .. categorising races in accordance of races was wholly in line with old Boer beliefs of racial superiority of whites . .. something that was incorporated in the Boer version of Christianity . A version of Christianity that is still practiced in large white South African congregations as we speak .

Similarly, Boers cannot claim to be to be indigenous to South or any part of Africa because they simply were not native to the soil and other reasons I have outlined in other posts .

Please do not kid yourself into thinking Africaans has radically changed the Dutch dialect . The Dutch can read and understand Africaans fluently… The vast majority of Boers are Dutch descendants and , as I am sure you know, what you refer to as Africaans is about 94% 18 century Dutch, my friend . Africaans is called the PUREST form of Dutch there is …. That’s why Africaans has been variously described as “Dirty Dutch” amongst other things by British co- colonists .

Very few words are authentic African tribal words . Vast majority of Africaan words are Dutch with quite a few German and French sounding verbs . You cannot have a language like Africaans … which has as it very has its very foundation three major European languages ( Dutch, German and French ) and assert Africaans is an Indigenous African language . Africaans is no more African, or an Indigenous to Africa , than the French language were to the Natives in Congo ;or the Potugeeze that was forced on the Natives of Mozambique .

Oh and i please do not make Zulus out to be something they were not . They were a vastly over rated african force who only had numbers ... but werev nevertheless were poorly trained and organised . Equipped with even poorer weaponary The Boers knew that, too.

The Boer feared the englsih alot more than they did the natives . It was the english determination to get a piece of the "african cake "... that resulted in british messing going to SA in the first place . They (the brits) needed a reason that would enable historyy to see them in a favorable light ..... and hence it the Englishs' self righteous objective of trying to Force Boers to abolish african slavery that put into motion the Anglo/ Boer war and rivalary that exists till today .

The zulus were powerless to the continuous encroachments on their land by the Dutch and British settlers . Great many times the various zulus chiefs appealed to English monarchs (like Victoria) to protect the zulus from marauding boers . All to no vail .

I honestly do not think you can be in the position to talk about the "marginalisation of Khoisians" .

How comes you know so much about how they were "marginalised" were you there?

There is no african native grouping - whether Khosians (or others) that would agree to be "marginalised "in quite the same manner and level as the whites have done for centuries .I am sure of that... .

It is hillarious how the white man is now trying to rewrite the history of South Africa to fit their racist objectives .

To all the kaffirs and kaffir lovers your time will come ...and it will come sooner than you black cunts think ...

YOU CUNTS WILL PAY

Facts are Facts.
by Pro Self Determination. Saturday, Apr. 29, 2006 at 11:03 AM

Well for starters I never did say that there were no Black people in the region which currently makes up the modern State of South Africa when the Dutch & other White people arrived in 1652. There were indeed established Zulus in the (later named) Natal region for one. The point I was making which I thought I was perfectly clear on was that the Boers germinated as a nation for over 120 years before coming into contact with an established local Bantu group by way of their eastward trekking. Remember: there were indeed no Black people in the Western Cape where the ancestors of the Boers first arrived as there were only the yellow-brown skinned non-Negroid Khoisan peoples. Who were btw the aboriginal people of much of sub Saharan Africa before being displaced.

The various Black / Bantu peoples did in fact come from central Africa. Saying otherwise IS indeed bullshit buddy boy! Look it up pal. The various Black people are just as much settlers as the White peoples are. Look it up. This is History 101. Even you can not deny the reality that the Bantu peoples arrived as settlers in Southern Africa displacing the local native Khoisan peoples.

When the ancestors of the Boers arrived in the Cape: the borders of the then colony which was administered by the Dutch East India Company did not extend much further then the arears beyond (the later towns of) Stellenbosch Paarl & Franschhoek.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! This is too hilarious! First of all: the White Englishmen are no more British than a Russian could claim to be! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Remember: the Englishmen are not true Britons as their Anglo-Saxon ancestors came to Britain pushing out the true British people of Celtic origin -the Celtic people in question were even called British.

Now: a Boer is just as African as any of those other groups that you mentioned simply by virtue of the fact the Boers are indigenous to the region & developed on African soil. Now they might not have as much seniority as Africans as the other groups but they are still just as African. After all no one would deny that the Indian Brit is not British after a number of generations.

But yet you deny that the Boers are indigenous Africans no matter how many generations they have been in Africa as an African people.

Furthermore: the Boers did not "seize" the Khoisan lands. The colonial administration did that. Do not blame the Boers for the sins of the European colonial powers. Also as I noted earlier: the Khoisan peoples are the only true natives as they are the original inhabitants of the region & were displaced or annihilated by the Bantu settlers. Look it up.

I never said that some Boers did not have slaves. What I called you on was your ludicrous assertion that the republican Boers "enslaved most" of the Zulus when the clear fact of the matter is that most of the Zulus remained in Zululand where they were independent until the British conquered them in 1879. I see you like to misrepresent your opponents.

Furthermore: you might want to note that the Encyclopedia Britannica as well as Professor Wallace Mills of Canada both state that most of the Boers of the eastern Cape frontier did not own slaves. Most of the slaves were owned by the Cape Dutch of the Western Cape.

As a matter of fact a small but significant number of the Boers' slave ancestors were also those Indians who were intermarried into the nascent Boer nation.

The Boer farmers were against Apartheid. Not all of the later Afrikanerdom though. There is a difference. The Boers did not expand the initial Apartheid created by the British. The Afrikaners of Cape Dutch descent did. The term Apartheid is an amalgamation of a French term "a part" with a Dutch suffix "heid". Though it appears that the term was formed in the Dutch language from French influence prior to the era of the Boers' ancestors.

There was no formal legal Apartheid in the Southern African region prior to the Native Pass Law (1809) of the British Government. What you claim was Apartheid prior to then was nothing more than dominance of one group over sections of land. These are not quite the same things. Otherwise one would also have to call the Anglo-Saxon dominance of Britain: Apartheid. The various Khoisan & Batnus were not all considered to be a cheap or subordinate supply of labour to the Boers. The Boers entered into agreements with members of these groups & even lived under their authority in certain regions.

While you assert that the Boers "dispossessed" African tribes of their lands, you conveniently neglect to mention that the Bantu initially dispossessed the Khoisan of their lands to begin with. It is rather ridiculous for one to cry that their land was stolen when they themselves stole it from others in the first place. At any rate: the Boers never conquered whole nations or Kingdoms as the British later did.

Wrong the vast majority of Boers were not in favour of Apartheid as formulated by their Cape Duth cousins. Remember what a number of destitute Boers were in favour was not having to compete for the same mining jobs with the Bantu groups.

As for the notion that Boers practice a White superiority version of Christianity this is ridiculous. The Boers were excommunicated from the Dutch Reformed Church over the Great Trek.

Their ancestors might not have been (with the exception of their Khoisan ancestors) but once they were being born on African soil & adopting an African culture & language, they were henceforth an African people. Remember: your British buddies are also not true natives of Britain as they were once not indigenous as they came from northern Europe. The Englishmen are not "indigenous" to Britain yet you practically claimed otherwise earlier.

The Boers are indeed indigenous to South Africa as this is where they were formed & where they are found. The fact that most of their ancestors once a very long time ago came from elsewhere is irrelevant to modern day realities as they have long since become Africanized as even Bishop Desmond Tutu stated on public television.

Claiming that the Boers are not indigenous to Africa is tantamount to asserting that the Germans are not indigenous to Europe. While the ancestors of the Germans came from Asia (as did the other Indo-Europeans peoples) & most of the ancestors of the Boers came from Europe: the fact of the matter is that the Germans are native to Europe & the Boers are native to Africa. There is simply no getting around this & no continued insipid denials on your part will ever change this fact.

Well once again you have just demonstrated your absolute ignorance to the whole world once again. The Afrikaans language is a completely different language to the Dutch language. While it has as its base a form of 17th century Dutch the fact of the matter is that the language is heavily influenced with Malay & Khoi words, grammar & syntax. Words such as "baie" is a Malay word for "many". Boers say the common phrase: "baie dankie" for "thank you" a lot. The term "dagga" is a Khoi word. There are numerous other examples. Furthermore: the entire language is spoken in a close South Asian cadence / deleviry in which some people can confuse with a South Asian language if they are only just listening to the cadence.

This was even poked fun at during the movie Lethal Weapon II in which a main character (played by Danny Glover) quizzically asks upon hearing Afrikaans over the radio cb: "what's that, Japanese?"

The Afrikaans language developed among the slaves at the Cape & greatly influenced the language that the Boers spoke. The Cape Coloureds -including a number of pure Khoisan peoples- speak various dialects of Afrikaans as well.

There are at least 3 main dialects of the Afrikaans language: Cape Afrikaans spoken by those in the Western cape / Orange River Afrikaans spoken by the Griquas & even pure Khoisans / & Eastern Border Afrikaans spoken by the Boers of trekker descent.

Furthermore: the double negative used in Afrikaans is thought to be of Khoi origin. Though it might equally be of French origin as this feature is used in the French language as well.

First you note (correctly) that it was influenced by French & German & then you now claim that it is the "purest form "of Dutch. Ha ha ha ha ha! Then why did Jan van Riebeeck (you know that Dutch tyrant who actually did all those things that you accuse the Boers of doing ie: stealing land transplanting people etc) deride the speech of the people he brought to the Cape calling it an impure crude peasant language. Sir you really must get your facts straight. Afrikaans is certainly nowhere near a "pure form" of Dutch in the least. Even you admitted that in your previous post.

In fact some Boers in the old northern Transvaal section -modern Limpopo province- speak with a downright Bantu sounding accent.

Furthermore: the Afrikaans language was "clened up" & "Whitened" by the Cape Dutch after they began to influence the region (with the ascendancy of Afrikanerism) of the old Boer Republics after the Anglo-Boer War.

The fact that the British were as ignorant as you concerning the language of the Boers does not bolster your ignorant point in the least. Have you ever compared the difference between the two languages? I have heard both languages spoken & they are clearly not the same. The Dutch & the Boers have difficulty in understanding one another. The fact that you can not even spell Afrikaans right speaks volumes of your ignorance on the matter at hand.

The whole language is an authentic African tribal language as it was developed on African soil. Remember: the Afrikaans as spoken by the Cape Coloureds particularly the Griquas absorbed a lot more Khoisan words & can certainly be considered a more African dialect.

All of this though is besides the point since the Afrikaans language developed on African soil & is this African by default. Just as Corsican developed on Corsican soil & can not be called "Italian". It is intellectually dishonest to assert that the Afrikaans langauge has not changed & absorbed other influences on Afrian soil. The historical record notes that the language has aborbed many diffent influences all on African soil.

Afrikaans is indeed much more African than the other languages of European origin you cite being used in Africa for the simple reason that it a completly separate language from Dutch & was developed on African soil & by African conditions.

While those other true European languages have not changed or developed in the same way as Afrikaans has. Ha ha ha ha ha! The Zulus were not an "overrated African force". The Zulus were the strongest military force on the whole African continent. Look it up. The Zulus conquered their neighbours with ease particularly during the warring devastation known as the Difaqane / Mefecane in which the Zulu King Shaka went to war with & conquered many Sothos & other Batnu neighbours due to their military prowess. The Zulus are well renown throughout the world for their military prowess. They employed the ingenious "horns of the bull" approach which outflanked their enemies & they were given special concoctions by their Shamans which would drive them into a fighting frenzy & aided in overcoming pain. They were a very highly disciplined & regimented military force with the most advanced weapons of a Bantu African people. This is all on the historical record.

The Zulus were not "poorly trained" that's for sure. If so then how the hell did they manage to conquer so many other tribes? How the hell did they manage to initially defeat the British during the battle at Isandhlwana. Their weapons & tactics were the most superior of any Bantu group.

The Boers in fact did not know this until after they were blindsided & attacked after Dingaan ordered the Boer civilian contingent killed.

This talk of the "African cake" is a most insulting & disingenous piece of spiel you spew forth here. While the British were indeed seeking to gain resources the Boers on the other hand were merely trying to survive in their own land. The Boers were not interested in African resources only the right to live unmolested by the British & the Bantus.

The Boers never wanted slavery & most of the Boers of the eastern frontier did not own slaves. These insulting insinuations against the humble pastoral Boer people are beyond the pale.

The reason for the Anglo-Boer rivalry has nothing to do with your hateful & distorting assertions but everything to do with the fact that the Boers killed 27 000 Boers civilians in the concentration camps.

The Boers did not "encroach" the Zulu's land. As a matter of fact if you had bothered to look it up you would have learned that the Zulus even gave the Boers a small piece of land on which the New Republic (Vryheid Republiek) was built on in 1884. The Zulu King Cetswayo gave the small tract of land in question to the Boers as payment of the services the Boers had offered the King in dealing with Bantu encroachments on Zulu land. Looks like the historical record is an ironic reality check on your hatemongering & distorting assertions.

The Boers always allowed the Zulus to live independent & to govern themselves in Zululand. A land recognized by Boers & British alike. Though it was the British who in fact encroached & eventually conquered the Zulu's land. Not the Boers. The Boers are not "settlers" as you assert but are an indigenous tribe in much the same way the Anglo-Saxons became indigenous to Britain in time. Calling the Boers "Dutch" is analogous to calling the English "Angles" or Anglo-Saxons.

Absolute bullshit! Then why did the British conquer the Zulus after military battled in 1879? Look it up demagogue.

Furthermore: Join the club. The Boers appealed to the British during the era preceding the Great Trek to protect the Boers from marauding Xhosas all to no avail as well.

To freddie nyaki: The marginalization of the Khoisans is very real. The government of Botswana is dispossessing the Khosian of their lands in the areas of the state where they have historically lived.

Absolute bullshit! The Botswana government is marginalizing the Khoisans in ways that the White governments would never dreamt of.

The South African government itslef marginalizes the mixed races of part Khoisan descent & the Cape Colourdeds have publicly gone on the record stating that they are just as marginalzed under the new Black dispensation as they were under the old White dispensation.

Furthermore: the White vs Black paradigm is a false paradigm. The oppression repression of the past continues into the present as the artificial state is still intact for the elite to control along with its population.

Correction.
by Pro Self Determination. Saturday, Apr. 29, 2006 at 11:19 AM

Correction. The British killed 27 000 Boer civilians in the concentration camps.

The poster Mike should really start to check his facts fist.

The Afrikaans language is notably different from Dutch & all due to its development on African soil & African conditions. Just because other peoples have been in Africa longer does not negate the fact nor the reality that Afrikaans developed as an African language. It was not developed in Europe & neither were the Boers nor were the Griquas & other Afrikaans speaking peoples. For more I refer readers to my previous post.

The grammar of the Afrikaans language was simplified (due to the Malay influence) & is imbued with numerous Malay / Khoi & other non European words. While there are a number of German words / some French words & the nasalization of consonents following vowels due to the French influence: the fact of the matter is that all of these modifications occurred on African soil - not on European soil- therefore the language is an African developed language.

Furthermore the Afrikaans language did not even start out as a true Dutch dialect as a great number of the VOC servants brought to the Cape from Europe were in fact not Dutch but Frisians & therefore speakers of the
Frisian language. The Afrikaans language would simply have not occurred were it not for the conditions in the Cape & the amalgamation among disparate groups of people which all contributed to the formation of the Afrikaans language. Claiming that it is not a true African language is therefore intellectually dishonest. No one would claim that English is not a true British language despite the fact that it came from the language of the Anglo-Saxon settlers of Northern Germany & Denmark. This is because the language evolved (as Afrikaans did in Africa) on British soil & changed due to British conditions.

< The vast majority of Boers are Dutch descendants >

Wrong. The vast majority of Boers are not Dutch descendents. The Boers are descended from less than 40 % Dutch origins. With about 30 % German origins. Upwards of 23 % French origins & around 5 - 7 % non White origins. As I noted above a significant amount of that which was labeled Dutch was in fact Frisian. So their true Dutch origins is probably even less than the figure cited. While it is not un-common to have cases where individual Boers have as much 20 % non White genes or for even individual Boers to have more than 50 % French genes or to be of mainly German origins: the fact of the matter is that the Boers as a whole are a rather homogenous mixture of the various ancestral groups.

Self determination ,

I wonder what makes you such an expert as to who the Boers met when they arrived in Cape . Oh, forgot you where there , weren't you.. sir?

Sorry sir.

Let me tell you something dickhead: Blacks or what you term "negroids" were not always what you may term black. If you mixed with these people (which you aint) you would understand that .There are some blacks that are yellow , or "light" skinned people . I hope that clarifies some of your confusion.

If you are going to decieve yourself into thinking that Boers didn't enslave the natives dispossessing them of the ancessestorial lands. Good luck to you ,sir. Keep dreaming ....

All that other rubbish . The Bushies ,Zulus, 'tus and so for the are indigenous to Africa . They are the true natives of africa . The land belongs to them

They are not some not some Transplanted European/germanic race like the Boers - that sought to impose their way of life and language on native africans .

I had no business being taught Africaans in school . Same with other black south african kids . I am glad that language is slowly being wiped out . Amen . And yes ,Africaans is basically dutch . A slighly simplified form that borrows a massive amount of its words from that language . If you think otherwise .. my advice to you is go out more . Mix with the dutch cehck out the sites

You have completely mis understand my marginalsation .Explain later .

Boer nation,

Bots government is marginalizing the people more than the white governement . Who told you that told you that you , joker ? . Why dont you talk to the people on the ground before before making your silly self serving declarations .

And while you there ask them whether they prefer the PW Botha days .

Mr Self Determination, You say “The Boer nation & culture arose out of the blending of diverse cultures & peoples (some of whom were Khoisan) which occurred on African soil. “

Nonsense . Let me correct you sir: The term Boers was, and still is, a term used to describe white farmers of Dutch French or German descent .

Do not try and deceive yourself by artificially broadening the term Boers to support your argument of “true africannes “ Even , though it is in your interest to promote such an agenda in this current climate of political correctness.

To widen the term Boers to include the off spring of unions (which you seem to be have implied several times ) between Boers and non white races like Khoisians and other indigenous black African races would be a GROSS miss representation of historical fact .

The Apartheid ( more importantly Boers themselves) didn’t see the progeny of unions of Boers and native black races (as Khoisians , Bantus and the like ) as Boers . These people are called “Coloured” ,” bastars” ( you Boers openly called bastards ), “Grisque” .

So yes , I agree the term Boer is wide , but it is nowhere near as wide as what you are now implying sir… trying to include Boers with “Khosians ancestry” . So during the Apartheid era and even now you think those Boers with Khoisian ancestry ran around disclosing their Khoisian ancestry, with Pride . Do you think these people were ACCEPTED as Boers in the White Boer farming communities . Its only Boers like YOU with their own agendas label those people Boers because it is socially expedient to do so. . But I bet you wouldn’t be so quick to label them Boers 15 years ago.

You should know that overtly coloured Boers with Khoisians ancestry ( resulting illicit liaisons between Boers and indigenous native women) were lumbered into “ Colored “ category . The traditional Boers do not see these people as Boers and those Boers with Khoisians ancestry do not see themselves as Boers .

Stop trying to draw meaningless parallels between Boers and other older transplanted Semite races of Arabic/Africans . These races (Arabs) transplanted themselves in Northern Africa many, many hundred of years before the Dutch transplanted themselves in Southern Africa. And these Arabic Africans still refer to themselves as Arabs as opposed to Africans . Many of those with Arabic blood that see themselves as Arab…and are far more up front with their Arabic culture as opposed to their African culture . And they, the Arabic Africans of North Africa and the Sudan, continue to be in a position of such overt political dominance they can afford to do so…. It’s the same thing with the Boers and other the whites of South Africa pre 1990. Majority of Boers didn’t see themselves as Africans they saw themselves as European transplants in Southern Africa. . This is part and parcel of the Apartheid ideology of racial superiority of the whites in SA.

The traditional Boer customs of taking part Protestant Calvinists church masses of the and singing in thick 18century Dutch are not authentic African customs, mate . These were customs and practices were imported straight from 18th century Netherlands . And the article you use to support some of your lofty assertions ACTUALLY support the idea that the Boers are a transplanted race .

These were customs transplanted into Southern Africa by the Boers who very eager to preserve huge portions of the 18th century Dutch customs and practices as they went through the generations . The Boers were not as prepared to absorb native African culture as you are now trying to make them out to be. You cannot then claim the Boers were as African as the African themselves . You cannot merge huge chunks of 18century Dutch norms , customs and practices with infuse some native African words and practices and then call yourself “ African as African as the other African tribes “ Just because in the current political climate it is in your interest to promote Boers /Afrikaans as true Africans . Whilst a generation or so ago the Boers were not too keen to be seen as “too African”…from what you are telling me the Boers are just as African as the Africans . Good luck to you sir , carry on deceiving yourselves .

Just like the white Rhodies of Zimbabwe liked to see themselves as more “British than the Brits …” (up till 1980) ; the Africans of North Africa are not afraid to put forward the Arabic agenda at the exclusion of the African agenda . These people are more Arabic than the Arabs of Saudi Arabia . Don’t take my word for it ..go there.

Up till 1990 the Boers of south Africa were more Dutch than the Dutch .

Similarly, to now suggest that Boers were against Apartheid because they didn’t want to compete with blacks for mining jobs is pure nonsense . Throughout your agendadised account of south African history ..you have been at pains differentiate the deeds of the Boers of with their “Cape Cousins” when it supporting the picture you wish to propagate of the “blameless Boers”. What you conviently omitted to include that during the first stage, in the 1960s, Boer Conservatives depicted blacks as racially inferior to whites and praised the homelands policy of South Africa.

Boers and their “cape cousins “felt that blacks were not fit to govern themselves . Only minority of the various races , were according to Boers fit to govern themselves .

In the second stage, in the 1970s, Boer Conservatives painted apartheid as a necessary evil; the Soviet threat required the United States to support South Africa. In the final stage, in the 1980s, the right decried the move toward divestment and sanctions, argued that capitalism would save the country, and portrayed Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress as pawns of the Kremlin. Ultimately, the profound moral failure that took place among many leftists in facing up to the true character of Soviet totalitarianism was uncannily mirrored by the right-wing intellectual defense of apartheid. If you knew fuckhole about your history you would know this , sir.

As time went on …While Boer conservatives had lost the battle on sanctions, the war was not over for them. They simply moved the fight to another arena, stepping up their attempts to demonize the ANC, and relentlessly depicting Mandela as a dangerously radical communist.

The more I see you refer to majority of Boers being against Apartheid the more perplexed I become . Are you trying to tell me that a majority of lower class religious Boers that you are always praising so much were so humble and color blind - they were happy to live next door to dirt poor Zulus and Bantus and have their Boer children receive Bantu level education . Is that the crap you are now trying to get me to believe, sir.

No sir: the Boers of all levels were not card carrying blameless liberals you and your Indie Media buddies are now trying to make them out to be. You should stick to the facts yourself, siir .

I never mentioned anything about the numbers of Boer deaths so there is nothing to correct there, sir.

I was taught afrikaans in school and i honestly believe that if you are a true speaker of the language you will be able to understand the Dutch easily. If you say otherwise you are bullshitting yourself.

The truth is the majority of the Indians , the white english descendants south africans; the black population seldom speak the language . The would not be caught dead speaking Afrikaans in South Africa . Afrikaans is only really strong amongst thye Boers, some sections of Afrikaan communities and the Coloreds .

Again , with some of the coloreds it is much more enterwined in their own personal identity as mixed race people - maintaining a connection with their white dutch roots .

I appolgise for forgeting how to spell Afrikaans but i assure you after a while we will all forget how to spell that Afrikaans .

I also think it is "intellctually and morally outrageaus" to now state that more white farmers have been killed since '94 blacks during Apartheid .

Well freddie nyaki first of all the historical record states that the there were no Bantus (Black people) west of the Kalahari dessert barrier when the ancestors of the Boers arrived in Cape Town. The historical record states that there were only the Khoisan people living there who are the aboriginal people of more than just the immediate region.

I find it most bizarre that you engage in name calling against myself just for setting the record straight & not buying into all of this vile anti Boer propaganda nonsense that you anti Boer folks like to spout so much.

Now the Khoisan people are in fact non-Negroid. This is a scientific determination & historical fact. I did not invent this term or classification. Your nonsense that some "Black" people are yellow & light skinned just proves your ignorance & confusion to the whole issue. The Khoisan people are not Black people. They are not related to the Bantus. The Khoisan peoples are the aboriginal people of Africa. It was your Bantu buddies who annihilated & displaced the Khoisan peoples imposing their language & customs onto much of sub Saharan Africa.

The Boers did not dispossess as much people as the Bantus did. This was my main point. Remember: while the Boers under the VOC colonial power did in fact dispossess Khoisan peoples: they never conquered whole kingdoms & nations as the British & Bantus had. Most Khoisan people went north (where they are still found today) & others became part of the various Afrikaans speaking mixed races in the Western Cape.

The land belongs to the Khoisan peoples. But due to the fact that they were decimated by Bantus in the east & by European colonial rulers in the west: they are not as numerous as they once were therefore the various peoples living on their lands are not the true natives of the regions & areas in question.

This is where you are so wrong. The Bantus are indeed a transplanted people from central Africa who imposed their way of life & language onto the native Africans: the Khoisan peoples. This is on the historical record.

As for your contention that you had no business being taught Afrikaans in school: Well the fact of the matter is that Afrikaans is or was an important language of the region. But let me guess, you probably think it was your right to be taught in English even though English was & is the true colonial language of the region.

I could just as easily ridiculously assert that I had no business being taught French in school despite the fact that French is an important language where I grew up.

The fact that you are glad that Afrikaans is being wiped out says a lot about you & exposes your hateful agenda towards not just the Boers & Afrikaners but all of those other peoples & groups who speak various dialects of the Afrikaans language such as the Cape Malays, the Griquas, the Bastars & others among the Coloured peoples.

The Botswana government is indeed marginalizing the aboriginal Khoisan people much more than the White governments ever did. Notice that the government is expelling them from their ancestral land. You do not seem to realize that the Khoisan peoples are dispised by the Bantu governments.

I did not make a single "self serving" (how the hell does this serve myself?) declaration: I simply pointed out the facts of the situation by posting text & links to what these governments are doing. If you think that the Bantu governments are not marginalizing the Khoisan peoples then you need to get your head checked.

Well I do not think anyone would prefer the so called " P W Botha" days, but most Khoisan peoples were not even as politically inclined or organized as the Bantus were. This is partly why they are being so easily dispossessed of their lands by the various governments.

The fact that the term Boer describes the so called White farmers of Dutch / Frisian / French / German / Flemish & Walloon descent does not negate the full picture of their ethnic heritage. Just because a racist clique of Afrikaners later became responsible for writing their history does not negate the true realities of their ethnic origins.

Well I did not "widen" the term Boer. (you must have a degree in Demagoguery 101) What I did was simply point out that the various mixed race peoples such as the Griquas & the Khoisan themselves are cousins & that the Boers have some non White genes.

I am well aware that the more fuller & overtly mixed race people are part of a distinct group known as the Coloureds. All I pointed out was that the Boers themselves have some of the same non White genes. I do not see what is so controversial about this fact. One would think that I was having a conversation with a conservative Afrikaner from the 1950s they way in which you go on in your denials.

The Boers might have "openly" called some of these mixed people "Bastards" but the fact of the matter is that there is a group of people who proudly call themselves the Bastars. Particularly the group known the Rehoboth Bastars near Rehoboth Namibia.

The fact of the matter is that the Boers do in fact have some Khoisan ancestry facts are facts. I am not "implying" it. I am simply quoting from the plethora of information which has come out in recent years concerning this matter. Are you not familiar with the case of Sandra Laing? Of course the Boers could not disclose their Khoisan ancestry with pride publicly during the Apartheid era. I never suggested that they could. Once again I really wish that you would stop demagoging & distorting what I actually wrote & making bizarre accusations. Though the Apartheid government must have known the truth as they would routinely reclassify those White persons they deemed a threat as "Coloured".

Well considering that the Khoisan features are not all that pronounced (though there are of course those who are) among the Boers: it is not as if they were not "accepted" as you seem to be implying. Furthermore: I was not aware that I was "a Boer" let alone a Boer with my "own agenda". But it is clear that you are an anti Boer with an anti Boer agenda.

I have no idea what you are attempting to state with this statement. The fact of the matter is that the Khoisan ancestry among the Boers is not even something which was all that openly discussed let alone were people single out & disowned by the Boer communities because of it. So your point is invalid. Furthermore: I was not even all that aware of the Boer people 15 ago. I was vaguely aware of them despite having French Huguenot Afrikaans speaking ancestry & I was brought up to believe much of the same propaganda that you have spouted here, but have since learned the truth & how the west propagandized them in much the same way they would later do to the Serbs / Palestinians & now the Muslims.

The fact of the matter is that the Boers did in fact see themselves as Africans as this too is on the historical record. They would sometimes play up their European connections whenever they attempted to try to elicit European support during their struggles with the British. It was nothing more than a geo political strategy in order to try to get European support.

Well this line says it all. It was not until the beginning of the Apartheid ideology that the Afrikaners as a whole began to view themselves as Europeans, but this to was once again to gain European support. Remember: it was in fact the British which began the labeling of the White population as "European". The Boers by this time had by & large been co-opted into the British created Afrikaner designation.

The Boers are not a transplanted people just because they were able to maintain a few European based customs. The Boers did not exist in Europe as a distinct people & only came about on African soil. Just as the English people came about on British soil despite having ancestors who were originally from northern Germany & Denmark. Furthermore: the Afrikaans language is derived from not an 18th century Dutch dialect but a 17th century dialect. If you are going to incorrectly call Afrikaans "Dutch" then at least get the era it came from right.

I did not attempt to claim that the Boers were prepared to absorb native African culture. What I pointed out was that this did in fact happen to an extent as a natural consequence of their existence. The Boers are indeed as African as any other African group by virtue of the fact that they developed on the African continent. What you appear to be confusing is seniority with culture. Just because the Boers do not have as much seniority in Africa as other groups: it does not negate the inherent Africaness of their culture. Even if they never came across a single other African group & lived in total isolation they would still be an African group by virtue of the fact that they developed on African soil.

For example: even the Canadians are considered Canadian even though they are transplanted Yankees (originally from Europe) who lifted / appropriated the term Canadien which was originally being used by the French settlers in modern Quebec who themselves got the term from the native Amerindian term for village. So you can see how all of this can be subjective & seen from many different perpectives. What I find troubling is how you dismiss the Boer perspective as irrelevant just because they are not as numerous or senior as other peoples.

While the Arabs of the north might like to promote their Arab roots: they too just like the past White Apartheidists of South Africa are in fact denying their own Africaness & the fact their culture has also been shaped by the African continent.

To see further proof of this situation just look at how the North Americans are not "English" or "British", but are unique group of peoples who formed their own cultures on American soil.

No. I did state that all of the Boers were opposed to Apartheid. What I said was that those Boers who supported Apartheid did so because they did not want to compete with the Bantus for jobs in the cities. One must remember that Apartheid was seen by these destitute Boers as a means of economic & employment upliftment. Not unlike the current Affirmative Action programs today which are in fact a version of Apartheid.

Well you sir are the one promoting an agendadised version of South African history & your virulent anti Boer distortions speaks for themselves.

I never said that the Boers were blameless. All I pointed out was that they were certainly no where near as bad as the colonial powers & the later Apartheid regime which was run mostly by their Cape based cousins.

Furthermore: I am not promoting "an agenda" (of what?): I am simply stating the facts / countering the vile anti Boer propaganda & setting the record straight.

Furthermore: the 1960s is hardly what one would call the first stage of Apartheid: If anything it was one of the latter stages. The first stage occurred on the British dominated gold mines which later became law in the British colonial governments of the Cape & Natal.

What you term Boer conservatives were in fact Afrikaner conservatives & socialists too. Remember: Apartheid has been called "socialism with a racist face" & it ended up having more red tape than most Soviet Bloc Eastern European countries.

D F Malan was an Afrikaner nationalist & socialist from the Western Cape. IE: not a Boer of Voortrekker descent. H F Verwoerd was a native of Holland with no ancestry in South Africa. So to call him a Boer would be totally incorrect.

While the homeland policies were unjust in that they were not equitable & were generally satellites: one should remember that it was the Afrikaner's way of decolonization as the State of South Africa was an artificial British colonial construct.

If that was the case then why did they allow them to govern themselves in the various homelands & other self governing regions.

While the Soviet Union certainly did help & was in favour of the ANC: remember Mandela was much more of a pawn of the British & has connections to British intelligence. If you knew fuck-all about your history you would know this sir.

Do you really think that anyone had to work hard to demonize the ANC. Does the ANC's close communist ties not ring a bell? Does not their admitted role in the brutal Church Street Bombing not ring a bell? I mean really come on now: if you really believe that the ANC is anything other than the extremists & terrorists that they were, then you are really living in a dream world.

No. Perhaps the Boers were not all blameless, but the point I am making is that they were certainly not all to blame as you make them out to be. What you have been attempting to do here is to perpetuate a distorted picture of the Boers & to blame them for every negative thing that ever went on in Southern Africa while letting the British & Bantus off scot free.

I notice that you never mention the disasterous role of British imperialism & other European colonialism. I notice that you never once mention the disasterous effect of the Difaqane which was started by the Zulu King Shaka or others. Do you not realize that he killed more people / stole more land & displaced more people than the later White Apartheidists?

The Boers were indeed a humble pastoral people for the most part. What you incessantly attempt to do is to blame them for every single damned ill that ever took place in Southern Africa. That is a slanted view to say the least & could certainly be views as hate speech. I doubt you would ever say half the things that you have said against the Boers & say them about the Jews or anyone else.

Concerning the numbers of the Boers deaths in the concentration camps. No I was not correcting you. I was issuing a correction to a misstatement that I made in the previous post.

Most of the Boers I have spoken to have told me that they have some difficulty in understanding Dutch. Not impossible for most but that there is a bit of effort in attempting to fully understand Dutch.

Now: if Afrikaans was so much like Dutch as you like to erroneously assert, then why the hell did Dutch have to be learned later by the Boers who spoke Afrikaans? Why would they have to LEARN the Dutch language if Afrikaans was just a dialect of Dutch?

Take particular note of the first line & the fifth paragraph. This demolishes your erroneous & petulant argument once & for all. Good luck in ever attempting to convince anyone of the nonsense you spew concerning this language ever again. The historical record has spoken.

Well the facts speak for themselves. This is not something I just pulled out of the air. The fact of the matter is that about 1 900 Boer farmers have been killed since 1991. While in contrast only about 900 people were killed during the Apartheid era. The old Apartheid era was brutal but the new Apartheid era is becoming just as brutal & a real genocide making past atrocities pale in comparison.

"Well freddie nyaki first of all the historical record states that the there were no Bantus (Black people) west of the Kalahari dessert barrier when the ancestors of the Boers arrived in Cape Town. The historical record states that there were only the Khoisan people living there who are the aboriginal people of more than just the immediate region. ".........................................

Horse shit , sir .

There is preponderence of historical evidence of of Bantu speaking peoples in Cape and other areas of africa ..even as far back as the Stone Age . These Bantus may have orginated in Niger Delta , yes .. i am aware of that . But they are still Indigenous to africa continent.

And let me tell you something for free: these khoisians you are trying to decieve yourself into believing are "not blacks" are negroes too.

The only evidence you got of Khoisians being non blacks is from the same flawed historical accounts of idiotic white historians who , also still claim the bushmen of southern africa "were also not black"

Absolute shit

Well first of all: it is common knowledge among historians that the Khoisan people are not related to the Bantus & are indeed a separate race. The Bantu peoples are classified as Negroids while the Khoisan peoples are classified as Capoids.

Remember: the various Bantu peoples migrated into the southern half of Africa -begining in about 500 BC- where the original & native Khoisan peoples had been for tens of thousands of years. How the hell could there have been Bantus at the Cape "as far back as the Stone Age" (as you ridiculously assert) when they did not even reach the northern part of South Africa until at least 1 000 AD?! The Stone Age was over by 2 500 BC while the Bantu migration did not start until at least 2 000 BC to 1 500 BC & did not even reach Zimbabwe & the northern Transvaal until about 1 000 AD.

The burden of proof is on your to prove this so called "preponderence of historical evidence" since historians have countered your bizarre assertions. There is though in fact a preponderance of historical evidence of Khoisan settlement throughout much of Africa stretching back to the Stone Age. I think you are confusing these groups.

While the Bantus might be "indigenous" to the African continent: they are certainly not as much as the Khoisan people. Particularly in the sothern half. Furthermore: no one really knows where the various races really all began. One hyposthesis asserts that the human race began in South Africa (ironically) while another asserts that the human race began in Western China. If the China hypothesis is true then this would mean that the ancestors of the Bantus came to Africa as interlopers as the Khoisan peoples had been there first.

The Khoisan people themselves even insist that they are the original human race from where all the other races originated from. It has been reported that the genetic evidence bears them out. This is all rather ironic when considering the recent debate over the indigenous status of the Boer people as it could be viewed as a return to the ancient birthplace of their original ancestors & the ancestors of the human race in general.

Terms like “capiods “ are just Euro centric categories/terms with no meaning what so ever. Put forward by people with little real knowledge of what they were investigating .

Self Determination - I am agreeing with Nyaki .I wish you would get your head out of your pro apartheid information manuals look at the people you are trying to analyse . Have you actually met a Khoisian?

What have you got to support your assertion that Khoisians are not black people other the outdated contradictory views of Eurocentric Anthropologists like Coon, Baker and so on .

For every person that says Capoids are a separate race - I can produce an authority that says Capoids are SUBSPECIES of Negroid race and hence part of the same category.

Saying Khoisians are mostly “yellow skinned “ peoples is tantamount to saying most white people have blonde hair and blue eyes . Absolute shit , mate .

Professor Self Determination : Do you think ALL Negroids have flat noses and kinky hair?How will you categorise the Fulanis of Nigeria . The Igbos of Nigeria (some of whom have got blonde hair blue eyes , yet have not been touched by white blood ? What do you think Ethiopians, Somalis, Tuareges and Haratin are? Are these Capoids too ?

These people are native to East and North Africa and have been there for THOUSANDS of years and they are NEGROID

For very light skinned khoisian I can show you one that is as black as Nat king Cole .

Black people do not all look a like, mate . And on the whole - the blacks of south Africa are probably the lightest skinned blacks in Africa as a whole .

The Khoisians are amongst the earliest recorded Africans. Their language and culture are similar quite a few Indigenous SA tribes . Khoisians share a great many traditional “clicking” sounding words with Xhosa speaking peoples . Their languages are similar and cultures are similar . Even their religious beliefs are similar .

Whats more the Bushmen/and khosians see THEMSELVES as black africans .

Quote :

“It was formerly thought that hunter-gatherers could be readily identified as a single entity by a combination of physical features, language and culture, but such assertions no longer find scientific support. In the first instance, studies have shown that supposedly distinctive characteristics in external features such as physique, skin colour and hair type were not exclusive to 'San' hunter-gatherers. Furthermore, in other indirectly observable features such as blood-groups 'San' hunter-gatherers were together with the 'Khoekhoen' herders part of a broader Khoisan biological grouping, which itself was genetically linked to Negroid Africans. “.. http://www.museums.orh/sa/sam/resources/arch/hunters.htm

If they are the earliest Africans , they look like most sub Saharan Africans and they have strong genetic links to what you term black negroids - what does that tell you..?

If I were to stand a Bushman next to a Zulu infact any other black race. I am hundred percent sure you wouldn’t know the difference .

And it doesn’t matter when you think Bantus migrated to Southern Africa. What we can both be sure of is this : NONE of us( me you Nyaki and all your indie media buddies ) know for sure because none of us was there . And another thing is Bantus , Zulus didn’t migrate from somewhere …(if they really did migrate at all)

But Bantus didn’t migrate from as far a field as Neitherlands and Germany . You know what I am getting at , sir. These Bantus, Khoisians and Zulus are the Indigenous Africans .

And there is substantial body of Archeological evidence to show existence of black farming communities in southern Africa many thousands years before the Europeans Boer invaders came on the scene . And this has been deliberately omitted from the pages of history by the Apartheid propagandists who are still trying to up hold their wholly unsubstantiated version of history . And by the sound of things you love that version of history .

You say “Black people did rule themselves in apartheid “

Ha, ha, ..Well that just sums up your knowledge of apartheid right there . So you think blacks “really” ruled themselves . Don’t make me laugh mate .

So if a small independent Boer nation (which you pine for) was formed with the exact rights of self determination as the Apartheid system gave the black homelands ….you would be happy with that dispensation ? You wouldn’t complain .? Would you consider that proper self rule.

As a man of many races, to see this arguement saddens me. Although I do not justify the killing of the boers, neither do I justify downing the blacks for it. All they want is their land back and power. To call blacks savages and animals, makes you look as ignorant as you claim they are. Violence is basic human nature, and Boers and Brits commited the same acts of violence if not worse, to take control of the land. To claim 1000 people being killed over a 12 year span a horrendous genocide, what would you consider the number of blacks killed and lynched during the 1800s? There is a much more sensible way to end this power struggle and senseless violence, but if both parties are fueled from hearsay, contempt and bloodthirst, there will be a bloody end.

Oh and to the comments saying that Africans would still be in jungles if whites hadn't colonized, do your history research. Africa was a world power before invaders stripped them of their assets.

If you have lived in, or are in South Africa, you cannot deny that blacks are savages and barbarians. Do you think it is the whites who have committed the 250,000+ murders in South Africa since 1994? I don't know where you thumb suck 1000 murders in ten years from, but is obviously you who needs to do some research and become educated regarding the horrendous crime figures in South Africa.
Your other comment about blacks in Africa being a world power....you are surely joking? Black Africans are unable to understand civilisation, they never left the jungle or bush and they are still firmly set there. Hell if they were a world power 1000, 2000 years ago, it must of been over their women & kids as is today. Africa is backward, it is going backwards not forward. Look at blacks in America, how they behave when tradgedy strikes, they loose the little sense they have and turn back to what is inbred in their genes....they revert to barbarous behaviour and commit the most vile crimes. They should all be turned into compost.....godamn jungle bunnies!

I wont even justify your remarks with a response, I'll just let you wallow in your blissful lifestyle believing that the entire negro population is incompetent to survival without the leading hand of the white man.

To all of those living in Africa I've got one thing to really say. Keep all your scabby blacks in your continent. Stop sending them as wlfare bludging parasite refugees to Australia, as we are fed up with them pack raping our daughter, molesting our children, murdering our elderly and robbing fuckin anything that doesnt move. come on africa if you don't want your blacks dont send them here do the propper thing and shoot them. Ill say one other thing also actually to all those whites fleeing africa the public welcomes you to Australia as you have all seem like great people and not thieving, raping, melesoring, murdering pricks like those black animals that grow in the ground over there in africa and call themselve poor black refugees.

I'm a white South African living in Johannesburg and I was searching for something quite unrelated when I came across this site/page. All I can say is Good God! Where do these people get this crap from? Sure there's crime here, but nothing even vaguely approaching the scale of what is written in this article. I and my wife and 4 children travel often and extensively around the country without any problems. We've had stuff stolen from us in camping sites, and I've had 2 cars stolen over the last 18 years, but how does that compare with people living in the US or Europe or Australia. I have no doubt the crime here is worse than in many first-world countries, but not much worse. I don't know anyone that has been murdered or raped, and don't know anyone who knows anyone else who has been murdered or raped. People are murdered and raped in South Africa every day, even white people, but the vast majority of the victims are black. Genocide of whites in South Africa? You must be smoking your socks or something!

Wake up K someday you'll get a big surprise and don't blame any white person for not warning you int the near future you are going to get a big surprise.

I'm a white south african who no longer lives in that sh*t hole called Johannesburg....thank God!
Crap you call the rate of crime in south africa K....well I say to you, you are a bullshitting liar! You may travel around S.A. but not when and how you like. You don't travel at nite and you don't walk the streets of JHB...day or nite. You live in a suburb where the norm is electric fencing and high walls, you have security gates on all your doors to keep the mindless barbarian kaffirs from raping and killing you and your family. You say crime is not much worse than other countries, I say you talk crap by the bucket load. Are you trying to sell that communist hell hole to tourists or something? When the kaffirs finally get around to you, think quickly about the horse shit you have printed above before they kill you. If you cannot see what is happening right under your nose then you are either dumber than dumb or you work for the anc. Thank God you are in south africa....stay there!

Just when I thought this debate was over.

Disparaging the term Capoid does nothing to deny the fact that they are not a Negroid group. If Capoid is to be disregarded then so too will the terms Negroid / Mongoloid & Caucasoid have to be as well. These are the legitimate terms which anthropologists & the scientific community which studies races use. To claim that they are Eurocentric does nothing to the negate the fact that these races exist. I find it most odd how your claim the terms are Eurocentric while at the same time advancing a Eurocentric image of the Boer people & the South African region in general.

First of all: I do not consult "pro Apartheid information manuals". I do not even support Apartheid. This latest bit a demagoguery says a lot about you. I support the right to self determnation of the any people who want to obtain it. I do not support the Apartheid created South African state which is based entirely on the South Africa Act of 1909.

The problem with you is that you like to consult anti Boer information manuals & advance your hateful assertion that the Boers -who were formed in Africa- are somehow not indigenous to their own continent. The colonial era & even the Apartheid era were also detrimental to the Boers as a distinct people as well.

Blaming the Boers for things that the European colonial powers & even other African societies did is the hieght of hypocricy & illustrates the fact that you are motivated purely from an anti Boer position.

I have indeed "looked" at the Khoisan people who are being analyzed here & they are not classified as Negroid by the scientific community. Next: the Khoisan peoples are not a monolithic group & are divided into mainly a. San (or Bushmen as they prefer) & b. Khoi. The San still live as they have for thousands of years & are found maninly in the Northern Cape / Namibia & in the western part of Botswana. The Khoi have been mostly absorbed into the various Coloured peoples (also known as Brown Afrikaners as they prefer to be known). The Griquas & Bastars are distinct sub-groups of this larger group which all speak a dialect of Afrikaans.

It must rile you to no end to know that Khoisan related peoples (& even some pure Khoisan people) speak a dialect of that hated Afrikaans language which you deride.

The term Khoisan covers a diverse array of groups some of whom (such as the Coloureds) are not pure Khoisan.

The Khoisan peoples are not Black people due to the fact that they are a. yellow-brown coloured as pictures & historians note & b. are not directly related to the Black / Negroid peoples. While some mixing as occurred between the two groups in some areas in the past: they are two entirely different peoples with entirely different origins.

It is utter nonsense to ridiculously declare that the Khoisan peoples are " a SUBSPECIES of the Negroid race" when the fact of the matter is that the Khoisan peoples existed as a distinct & separate people LONG before they even encountered anyone from the Negroid race. Asserting the Khoisans are part of the Negroids is nothing more then racial colonialism & is not viewed favourably by any self respecting anthropologist. Though your assertion certainly sounds like apologist nonsense spouted by some radical Black nationalists who even claim that they "invented" the White race by mad scientists.

I never stated that the Khoisans were "yellow-skinned". I noted (as well as the anthropologists & encyclopedias which note this as well) that the Khoisans have yellow-brown skin. This is a documented & verifiable fact. Look as the pictures of them. Read how they are described in the various encyclopedia & journals.

< Saying Khoisians are mostly “yellow skinned “ peoples is tantamount to saying most white people have blonde hair and blue eyes . Absolute shit , mate . >

No but most White people have white skin. Most Black people have black skin. Most Khoisan people have yellow-brown skin. I am aware of the variation among these 3 catagories (& beyond among other races) but the general rule applies. Therefore: your uninformed assertion is absolute shit itself mate.

< Professor Self Determination : Do you think ALL Negroids have flat noses and kinky hair?How will you categorise the Fulanis of Nigeria . The Igbos of Nigeria (some of whom have got blonde hair blue eyes , yet have not been touched by white blood ? What do you think Ethiopians, Somalis, Tuareges and Haratin are? Are these Capoids too ? >

I in fact covered this in a previous post when I noted that the Ethiopians are a mixed race of Old European / Semitic & Cushitic origins. This statement on your part only exemplifies your ignorance to the issue at hand once again. You claim that these peoples were not "touched by white (genes)", but you employ a narrow definition of White (presumably those of Indo-European origin) while failing to realize that the original inhabitants of Europe (before the Indo-European invasions) also had white skin.

The Old Europeans (as historians call them) are part of the ancestors of the various peoples in the north & eastern parts of Africa & even into the middle east as well.

Furthermore the Khoisan peoples onc